At 11/11/25 06:39 PM, StormNymph wrote:connections with one another, that someone can just walk in here and go, "hey, I don't have the money or the means to do it" especially now that it's 2025, there's several free DAW's out there, there's so many resources for learning how to get involved in music out there, and when there's several communities out there who are willing to teach and help others learn how to get involved. AI is not a substitute for learning how to make music and to jump in going, "hey, this is my perfectly valid tool" says more about you than it does for anyone else who is actually serious about getting involved in music."

Well, this was you completely missing the point, I'm afraid. I could turn it around and say that elitism in art is even more distasteful. If I'm not a musician by passion then I will not pay dues to become one just to satisfy elitists who think that I'm cheating if I don't. I'll simply utilize what is avalable to me for quick and free and/or cheap, and focus solely on the art that I 'am' passionate enough about to dedicate all my efforts to.

As long as AI music production is legal, it has a legitimate place. That's the point.

Or, to put it another way, I create virtually all of my 3D art and animations myself, sans the occasional 3D model download from Sketchfab. Well, there are people today who are starting to use AI to fast-track their animated stories. Am I angry with them? Absolutely not. If they have a passion for animated story telling, but they have no desire to put in the cost and the decades long work to mastering design and motion graphics, then AI offers them a solution. As long as the story, itself, remains their own making, then AI supplementation is legitimate, because the story is still their own.

"You're never really going to win against the big names"

That was never my goal. The music I create is solely for the stories I write. I have no intention of putting them on Bandcamp and/or CDs and selling them. They're made exclusively for my animated stories. They're not meant to compete with anyone.

"To be picking fights against the artists who are still growing and learning and to be blaming them for the state of music to the point you justify using something like AI to compete against them with .. is just kind of a bit misguided to me."

I want actually picking a fight. I was stating fact. Today's music has been overtly derivative long before AI got a hold of it. That's why I stated that there are no modern equivalents to Beethoven, meaning people who can consistently create music of such genius and singular quality that it reinvents the medium for generations to come.

I don't attack individuals for this. The only instutition I blame for it is the Department of Education, for not designing materials that enable exceptionalism within the population. Watch street interviews where college-goers are asked basic questions, some of them don't even know who's President at the moment. Some of them couldn't even tell you which state is the United State's capital, nor can many of them even point out where the United Kingdom is located on a globe. They're not being educated, they're being indoctrinated. This is the principle reason why there are no musical geniuses in the West today, nor geniuses of any kind really, coming out of university. And those who do possess the quality of genius are often misinterpreted by those who don't, such as Einstein's teachers condemning him as hoplelessly inept when he was in school.

I have no desire to pick fights. The intention of my first post in this thread was to soften people's attitudes toward those who use AI for music creation. It wasn't me coming in with guns blazing trying to defend AI music, as I'm largely opposed to it as well when there is no creative input at all beyond a prompt. I write my own lyrics, so I'm not lazy. I'm just not passionate about learning music, as my artistic passions lie elsewhere. And, I'm not rich, either, so I can't afford to pay for people to do it for me. So, as long as there is an avenue for music production that i can utilize without having to inconvenience my actual passions, then I have to take advantage of it.

"We need perspective on what you're referring to as you can't simply just go "oh, but education sucks and that's why AI is justified" as your excuse."

I've provided the perspective. Education sucks. It's what we already have in practice, a class system between the elite, and the peasant. The government-run education system has worked for more than a century to keep this class system in place, relegating the majority of the population to the worker-class status, and offering them little hope of ever achieving anything more noteworthy. This secures the longevity of the corporate masters pulling the government's strings.

Great education will focus on outputting competitors to the system rather than just cogs for the system's machine.

"At the end of it, all of the Generative AI out there only exists because it was trained on existing data. You're not making anything "new"'

I most certainly am making something new - my lyrics makes the song something new. No other song has my lyrics in them, whether they be human generated, or artificially generated. This is why I state that when a person writes their own lyrics, they hold the lion's share of the rights to a song, so long as the production of the song has no "Overt" similarity to anyone else's production.

Now, the music I generate is not "Innovative" new, as I am no Beethoven. It's only new in the sense that it's my lyrics, and no one else's. Are they derivative? Yes. But, they're new. :)

"if you really wanted to contribute to doing something creative, innovative, and something new, AI is most definitely not the way."

That's not my goal. My goal is to create music befitting my animated stories. Not to create music to sell. I don't want to be in the music business. I just know that most cheap or freely available music today just doesn't have the level of "Dark" and "Poetic" that I need for my stories. And being a Gothic story teller, atmosphere is everything. So, im forced to write my own music, and then utilize AI to deliver it as close to my vision as I can get it. There's nothing wrong with that.

"I personally feel that generative AI simply has no place as a substitute for "I don't have the time and patience to learn how to actually make music even with the free tools and knowledge out there now."

That's fine if that's your perspective. It's just an elitist perspective by nature. I'm not blasting you for it, as I understand the viewpoint of the Purist, and even share it to a good degree. Yet, I also understand that tools - by themselves - are not wrong, only in what you use them for. A hammer can build a house in one person's hand, and commit murder in another person's hand. I don't use AI music to compete with human artists, and I never will. I use it solely to help me tell my stories. There really is a legitimate place for it. :)

At 10/26/25 04:49 PM, StormNymph wrote:

At 10/12/25 02:48 AM, JazzanovaLamia wrote:I don't give a fuck about A.I. music but it only exists to appeal to teenage manchildren who lack the ability to like real human-made music.

It doesn't exist for manchildren. AI music provides a cheap, sometimes free, way of making your own music. This same aversion to new things happened decades ago when digital music artists began to compete with analog musicians in quality. Those with the more traditional perspective hated digital music for its "Artificiality". Now, digital music is practically in everything, and is no longer controversial. It's cheaper to produce because you can just pay one person to sit down at a computer and compose an entire professional soundtrack for you to put in your video game, commercial, or even movie.

In a few year's time, AI music will be just as accepted by the mainstream as digital music is today. Pretty much every new thing meets with resistance once it pops into being. :)

At 6/17/24 03:37 PM, RottingTob wrote:alright im gonna try to keep my cool but on newgrounds:

AI,
"ART,"
IS,
NEVER,
REAL,
ART.

"if one refuses to study, they will always fail." use this quote wisely. as it speaks truth about many things, including ai art that is unironic.

i support ai art being banned permanently, it makes me take back criticism to some of the more... questionable decisions the staff has done. and thats why newgrounds is the GOAT.

At 9/18/23 03:19 PM, Liftek wrote:

At 9/18/23 12:58 AM, Aszon wrote:hey guys! i just made a new track today and i want you guys to give me criticism and tips on the mixing and mastering.
im a total noob when it comes to mixing and mastering and i need your guys' help.

Thank you!!!

https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1247681

The kickdrum does sound pretty wide mixed for my ears, maybe seperating and lowering the side signal could already
fix it. I don't know if it's intentional but the lead synths sound a bit overcompressed for my taste, although it could also be the general plugin or sample sound.
The hats sound very clear for me, eventually they could stand a bit reverb but that's probably just a matter of taste. The pad is mixed well in my opinion, even though lowering the volume at some areas wouldn't be detrimental in my view. Overall, I'd say the mix is honestly pretty decent already and I could imagine listening to this through several devices.

At 4/23/23 07:23 PM, HelliXScream wrote:https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1206786
Like any musician would say: "every track you've made is like your own child".

But still, if i had to choose the one i'm really proud of right now, then it will be this one.

The melody, the retro/synthwave-like beat i did for my very first time, the kicks - i'm really proud of how it turned out.