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[Transcribed from the video by Tara Carreon]

Eric: One reason that people dismiss the possibility that the September 11th attack was a
government operation is that they cannot believe everybody in the U.S. Government would
remain silent about such an incredible crime. A woman named Kay Griggs, the second wife of
Marine Corp Colonel George Griggs, can help us understand why everybody is silent. Her
information about the U.S. Government comes from her husband, her personal observations, her
husband's diary, and people she met. Even if some of her information is incorrect, the top military
and political leaders of America are routinely blackmailed, bribed, threatened, and manipulated.
She mentions many government officials by name, so if her accusations are false, she is making
a lot of slanderous remarks about a lot of people. For example:

Kay: I found my husband's diary, which I have here, which they have been not anxious to have
get out.

Eric: Now, "they" meaning ...?

General John J. Sheehan, USMC (Retired)

General Charles C. Krulak, Commandant of the Marine Corps

General Al Gray (left), former Commandant U.S. Marine Corps

General Donald G. Cook (Retired Aug. 1, 2005)

Brigadier General James R. Joy (right), U.S. Marine Corps (Retired)

General Carl Steiner (Retired)

Kay: The -- uh -- well -- "they." General [John J.] Sheehan, General [Charles C.] Krulak, Generals
Al Gray, [Donald G.] Cook, and especially General [James R.] Joy. General Jim Joy and General
Carl Steiner are, they are evil men. And they are in this diary meeting with my husband almost
every day in Beirut. They trained the Men in Black who killed those people in Waco.
Eric: Not only does she claim that Waco was a deliberate killing, but later in the interview, she
says that the military knew that the Marine Corps barracks was going to be bombed in Beirut,
Lebanon. That bombing occurred in 1983, and more than 200 marines died. The official story is
that the bombing was a result of Arab terrorists. She doesn't explain why the military would allow
hundreds of Marines to die, so we are left to wonder if the bombing was intended to give the
Marines an excuse to get out of Lebanon, or if it was intended to create anger towards Arabs. As
with the September 11th attack, the Oklahoma City bombing, and the killings at Waco, it is
difficult to find a sensible motive. But perhaps Kay Griggs is correct that many top government
officials are under the control of criminals and lunatics. She explains that one of the methods to
control government officials is to pressure them into doing unusual sexual activities, which can
then be used to blackmail them. She believes that some universities have special fraternities for
this purpose. For example, Princeton University has a fraternity called Cap and Gown, which her
husband belonged to. Yale University has a fraternity called Skull & Bones. Supposedly,
President Bush and John Kerry were members of that fraternity. To most people, and some of its
members, these fraternities are meaningless organizations. But she believes that some of them
are used as recruitment centers for government officials.

Kay: George got into Cap and Gown which is the same kind of fraternity. I mean it's a eating club
at Princeton for intelligence officers.

Eric: In Cap and Gown did they have anybody involved who wasn't intelligence oriented?
Kay: Football players, and so forth. But I have a feeling that Cap and Gown has a lot of
intelligence officers and boys who may have been raped. Of course, they'd never talk about it.
But I know that in the initiation they get very drunk, even in the Marine Corp they do that, it's
called "Dining in." They have the "shellback" ceremony. They do a lot of homosexual enticement.
The boys, when they come in, when they are new recruits, they strip them nude, they violate their
personal parts, and a lot of that is going on even now.

Eric: What about "tailhook"? Is there a connection?

Kay: Yeah, sure! Because the "cream of the crop" is doing this. They are having group sex
parties.

Eric: That was a Navy operation too, wasn't it?

Kay: Yeah.

Eric: She points out that "tailhook" has a double meaning.

Kay: You know what "tailhook" means, don't you?

Eric: No. What is tailhook?

Kay: Laughter.

Eric: Uh oh. I got a feeling. Is it a homosexual reference?

Kay: Yeah, sure.

Eric: Really?

Kay: Sure.

Eric: Did you know that, Steve? Isn't that something?

Kay: Yeah.

Eric: She accuses a Marine Corp General of being a "Cherry Marine."

Kay: What I want to tell you about General Al Gray, my husband was the chief of staff for
General Al Gray who was the Commandant of the Marine Corp. And I probably shouldn't say this
on the tape, and you all can get rid of it, but he's a homosexual. Gray is what they call a "Cherry
Marine."

Eric: She then describes the initiation ceremonies in more detail, and notice that her husband is
one of the sources of this information.

Eric: I mean, if this really got out that these guys are all inducted because they've got some kind
of homosexual thing on them ...

Kay: Right, indoctrination or induction. They have to do that. They do that. In a coffin. And it's
even now coming into the military totally. The chiefs do that. They put them in the coffin. They do
the bowling ball trick.
Eric: Okay, you've got to explain this. What happens when you get in the coffin? Why do you get
in a coffin?

Kay: Oh, when you get your eagles -- that's a German thing you know -- it's what the German
high command did, and most of them had the boyfriends and stuff, the croups and all of that. It is
a German thing that they say goes back to Greece. And it's all the male Marine looking men that
they do it with, you see. So now the chiefs have to do that. What they do is they get -- George
said it's like a zoo -- they get everybody really drunk, and they sometimes call it "dining in."
"Shellback" is another time that they do it. Not everybody does it, but the ones who do it, if
they're young, they get right up to the top.

Eric: Okay, what actually do they do? They've got a coffin, they get inside ...

Kay: Anal sex. Oh, that! They put them in the coffin and they do things.

Eric: Okay, they perform things on each other?

Kay: Yeah, yeah, while they're all around there going drunk and ...

Eric: Okay, I see, so there's a guy in the coffin ...

Kay: Yeah, and he's the one who is the ...

Eric: ... recipient of all the acts?

Kay: Right, right.

Eric: We can probably say to conclude that these are oral sex acts on this guy, or something like
that.

Kay: Yeah, yeah. Oral and anal.

Eric: But what's the significance of the coffin?

Kay: I don't know.

Eric: Although she never explained what the bowling ball trick is, you should ask yourself, "Would
a top military official or any other man tell his wife that he was pressured into joining these
bizarre ceremonies if they were not true? Not every man in the military is enthusiastic about
homosexual sex, so there are also orgies with women.

Kay: These orgies are going on all over the Mediterranean. The captains, the lieutenants, the
men who rise to the top, are the ones who were picked to play the games, the pool parties, the
nude pool parties. And they have secretaries who come in. I've talked to three guys, and of
course my husband, who went to these parties. But what they do is, and this is General Al Gray
who was the main prime mover, they would go to a place like Eslay Rosey (sp?) where Charles
Haddock, this teacher who inducted, got my husband into it, he retired in one of these all-male
party houses on the Mediterranean. And my husband kept up with him all through the years.

Eric: And these sex parties and orgies, they're all homosexual in nature or is there some
heterosexual ... ?

Kay: They start off with the wild secretaries. It's kind of, you know, my husband did those in
Indonesia. He did them in a place in Northern Virginia with his first wife ...

Eric: She was told by military leaders and their wives that this is normal.
Eric: What percentage do you think of these higher up people are bisexual?

Kay: Oh, all of them! If they're in Special Operations, if they're Marines, they're all bisexual.
They've all had to do it. In order to get to be a bird colonel, the Seals, it's kind of like the fast road
to the top.

Eric: So a guy could not be a Seal without having gone through this?

Kay: Oh, I don't believe so. I haven't met one that I don't believe would have done it. And judging
from what a couple of colonels told me, that's just the norm. "It's just you women, you know. You
all are so sissy. You don't understand how it is. We're under so much pressure." And when
Valerie Wilhelm told me that about Charlie, I just could not believe what she was saying.

Eric: Charlie Wilhelm would be ...

General Charles E. Wilhelm, Former Commander, U.S. Southern Command

Kay: He's a general now down in Miami. And she was just saying, "Oh, well, you know, he's
running around -- he has to!," she said. "He's under so much pressure." And she was saying that
-- of course I had met Charlie in Norway, and Charlie is someone my husband just sort of
idolizes. And he and Michael Boyle is another one. Michael is my husband's "Special Friend."

Eric: After watching all eight hours of her interview, when I see a top government official, I find
myself wondering, "Did this guy get his promotion because he joined in on the homosexual sex?
What about this guy?

Or him?

This one?
Do the Air Force generals do it also?

Kay Griggs implies that General Al Gray enjoys the homosexual sex. But I would expect some of
the men to become fed up with it after a certain number of years. After all, how many times would
you have to be pressured into homosexual acts before you refused to do it? Whoever has control
of the U.S. Government has to deal with the men who become rebellious. Kay Griggs suspects
that murder was used to keep her husband under control.

Kay: And you see, my husband is frightened to death. I believe that his brother was murdered to
keep him in. Because he had gone through four years of this mind control. And the man who did
it, and you can see it on the video, his name was Charles Haddock, and another man named
Alexander Robinson.

Eric: She also suspects other men were murdered such as former CIA director William Colby.
She also mentions the technique of condemning a person to a mental institutionm which almost
happened to a person named Bob.

Kay: There were a couple of others: Paisley who was murdered almost like this other man.
Paisley was murdered like William Colby. Paisley was also hanging around with other
homosexuals. He went to the Rush River Lodge, and so did Bob Woodward, Bob Woodward the
reporter. Henry Kissinger was a well-known, totally a homosexual. Not even both ways.

Eric: And so his wife is a marriage of cover or convenience?

Kay: Oh, it's just a convenience, yeah. I mean, maybe he's discovered women in his late age. I
don't know. But I heard through a very well grounded German that Henry's best friend's father
told Henry to stay away from him. And that's why Henry left. The family were embarrassed. And
Henry went to Britain where they did this, and then changed his name from Heinz to Henry. And I
interviewed a man named Bob, who's an army enlisted person, who told me about Henry in
Cambodia. So up through Cambodia, he was actually raping young men. And of course, that
experience destroyed the lives of these five young men, according to the source. I mean, he
said, he was crying -- and this man was a perfectly wonderful functioning young married man
who worked for a newspaper on the Eastern shore, and had three young children -- he went to
Vietnam as an enlisted man, was put into Cambodia, which he said it was a lie living there, and
then ran into Henry Kissinger. Or Henry Kissinger ran into him, and did certain things to him.
Invited him into his tent with some other men. It was horrible. But he said, "It's wartime," and so
forth. But he said, "You know, I could have taken it mentally if it had been a bunk-mate or
something, but when it's someone like Henry Kissinger who does it to you, you're ruined." He
said he came back home -- Oh! And this is interesting, and I really believe that Bob's right, he
said Kissinger said to him, "If you ever tell anybody, if you ever mention to a soul, it's the end of
you. Don't you ever tell anybody." Well, when Bob got back, he went to a special hospital, and
they were going to keep him locked up forever. A lot of the other boys just ... my feeling is that he
was flagged the way I was flagged when General Gray and Wilhelm had me flagged because I
broke up the go-go dancing in the Officer's Club. I was labeled a troublemaker because I thought
it was wrong for married men to be going out with topless go-go dancers in the Officer's Club
Dining Room, and I took pictures of it. And my husband got really mad, and so forth.

Eric: How could it be that all top government officials are willing to allow this corruption, rape and
blackmail? Kay Griggs says that people in control of the government are grooming emotionally
weak boys for top government positions. She explains that this recruitment process starts while
the boys are teenagers or younger.

Kay: They have little boys that they pick out and they call them "special." They use the word
"special," meaning elite, irregular, in order to entice these boys because they don't have much
ego ...

Eric: They look for boys who suffer from low self-esteem, poverty, and mental disorders. People
who are not happy with themselves are easy to manipulate with praise. And children from poor
families are more susceptible to promises of top government positions. She explains that some
of these boys are put into all boys schools, and exposed to homosexual activities. She accuses a
man named Charles Haddock of being one of the men who manipulated the young boys.

Kay: Charles Haddock was the bodyguard, quote unquote "teacher" for these guys. So they
would go out and play in the woods. And they were doing homosexual things with them.

Eric: She investigated her husband's background and believes that these people were pushing
him into homosexual activities.

Kay: I called all his roommates, at the Hun (sp?) School and at Princeton. They told me things
about George, you know, holding hands with Haddock and other people, about being a
cheerleader, and going off, and so forth.

Eric: "Cheerleader." This is kind of a trade name, right?

Kay: He was a cheerleader at Princeton. And he traveled with the football team. And here is a
guy like that, they put him in the Marine Corp? I don't think that was very nice. Do you know what
I'm saying? It was hard for him.

Eric: She believes that President Bill Clinton was also selected for this program of abuse and
blackmail.

Eric: You know, as you describe this, I can't help but think of Bill Clinton.

Kay: Well, of course he was one of those profile boys. But the difference between Bill Clinton,
and I'm not saying Bill Clinton's better, but Bill Clinton didn't know anything about the
assassinations.

Eric: How would you feel if you had been put into an all boys school when you were a teenager,
subjected to homosexual sex, and offered high level government jobs, and when you rebelled,
your brother was murdered? Kay described her husband as drinking every day. He would often
pass out on the floor, and even in the yard. Sometimes he would sit naked in his room. His
attitude was often unpleasant, and he was sometimes very violent. You might think that a
government official could hold a press conference and complain about the corruption, but unless
he is given support by other government officials, and the American people, he will meet the
same fate as the other people who resisted.

On page 149 of my book, "Painful Questions: An Analysis of the September 11th Attack," I have
a section: "There is nobody to protect us." I wrote, "More amazing to me, we cannot even get
support from the American citizens. Rather, most of them will insult us as being 'conspiracy nuts.'
This situation reminds me of the child who ran away from Jeff Dahmer, went to the police for
help, and the police handed him back to Dahmer. How is America going to improve when the
majority of American citizens, including the police, FBI and military, have no desire to know what
is going on in their nation, and have no desire to make the nation better?"

Kay: I think they're trying to destroy America.

Eric: Let's listen to more accusations before trying to understand who "they" are.

Kay: And keep in mind, my husband is infamous: Princeton graduate, Chief of Staff for Al Gray,
who runs all the dirty tricks for the army. You know, Linda Tripp worked for Carl Steiner who was
a partner of, you know, Jim Joy, Carl Steiner and my husband were the triumvirate in Beirut, and
Linda Tripp worked for Carl Steiner down there.

Eric: Okay, this would be approximately ...?

Kay: I think in the 80's. See, she and her husband were both Delta Force duos. They send them,
and then they divorced, so that broke up that. But she's a dirty tricks person, Linda.

Eric: She believes that Linda Tripp was helping to set President Clinton up for blackmail. She
also claims that the U.S. military was manipulated during the 1991 Iraqi war for purposes of
selling weapons, smuggling drugs, and laundering money.

Kay: It's kind of like Monica and Bill. I think they put Monica in there to have something on Bill.
That's my own feeling. Sarah McClendon feels the same way.

Eric: And Linda Tripp was there to guide the situation?

Kay: Absolutely. Of course. Linda Tripp was Delta Force. Linda Tripp was trained by Carl Steiner,
who's in the diary with my husband. Carl Steiner is called a "Snake." And he tried to trip up
Schwarzkopf. I mean, he was trying to take the whole Iraqi thing over because they had been
baiting, you know, using the Israeli rogues in Turkey. They were having little zig-zag wars. It's all
to sell weapons. It's all about weapon sales. It's all about drugs. It's all about funny money.

Eric: Most people assume that the U.S. military wanted the Vietnam war. But she claims that the
military was pushed into Vietnam by the same people who were behind the bombing of Dresden
during World War II. She supports the accusation that the American military was fooled into
bombing Dresden simply to slaughter the German civilians. She also supports the accusation in
Michael Piper's book, "Final Judgment," that some Israelis were the masterminds of the
President Kennedy assassination.
Walt Whitman Rostow

President Johnson with Walt Whitman Rostow

Kay: You didn't used to kill women and children in war, you know, when the British army were
pure, kind of. You know, you didn't go out and kill. I think at Dresden they did do some of that,
but that was Walt Whitman Rostow and his crowd. And he's a very dangerous man. Because
Walt Whitman Rostow is a Communist.

Eric: Okay, in what capacity is he?

July 29, 1989: Ronald Reagan with traveling companion retired U.S. Marine Lt. General Victor
Krulak (in the yellow shirt)

Kay: Oh, he was one of the wise men in Kennedy's administration. I think he was probably
responsible for the movement that got Kennedy murdered. I believe it was an Israeli group which
did it, with some of these rogues. Walt Whitman Rostow was the one who got us into the
Vietnam war because he wanted to sell the weapons and stuff. He and Victor Krulak who is the
present Commandant's father, Krulak was his lackey. Walt Whitman Rostow went with General
Taylor and wrote the report that got us into the Vietnam war. And all the time that the Pentagon
was saying, "No, no, no, no," he was a cheerleader for the weapon sales. He and Henry
Kissinger. He and Henry. Walt Whitman Rostow, [1] Eugene Debs Rostow, [2] these were
Communists, names for Communists. Eugene Debs Rostow, and, it's either his son or his other
brother, runs the big Boston mob, the Port there. His name is Nicholas Rostow.

Eric: She claims that the war in Bosnia was also manipulated by these people, and that the CIA
is not as important as we assume it is. She believes that most of the secret operations are
coming from a group of criminals working within our military and NATO. Sometimes she refers to
them as "The Joint."

Kay: The war in Bosnia is simply a stage to train assassins, to be a market for brand new
weapons, and to be a marketplace so the drug money can be used. And the Army runs the whole
show. It's totally run by the Army. The CIA is a bogus thing, you know. It's training in doctrine
command, it's NATO, it's SHAPE: Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, started by
Eisenhower. It's a totally independent corporation. It's main function is to sell weapons and
launder money.
Eric: You're talking about the CIA?

Kay: No, I'm talking about SHAPE. The CIA is kind of bogus. It's just there. [3]

Eric: That's just a trade name for the media to use.

Kay: It's just to confuse us, to get us off the track. It's all being done by Army people who are now
Joint.

Eric: She describes "The Joint" as being in New York, and that it acts as a funding organization
for their criminal activities.

Kay: The funding organization, one of the funding organizations, was out of New York, and it was
called "The Joint." And Meyer Lansky -- see, our Mob, the organized crime, the Jewish
Kabbalhist group ...

Eric: Unlike the gangsters of Al Capone's era, Meyer Lansky and his friends can manipulate
entire nations rather than just a few cities. In this next segment, she mentions that one of the
operations that "The Joint" was funding, was the illegal immigration of Nazis into America. Since
she describes "The Joint" as being Jewish, your first thought might be to assume they were
helping Jews escape Nazi Germany. However, what she describes may be what other people
refer to as Operation Paperclip, although she does not use that expression. She is going to
mention that many of these Nazis had "The German Disease." And she refers to them as "The
Pink Triangle Boys." She is referring to homosexuality and sex with children. The Nazi party had
the same problem that the Republican party suffers from. Specifically, there are a lot of
accusations that many top Nazi and Republican leaders are homosexual, that some are raping
children on a regular basis, and that some are covering up the slave trade. In Nazi Germany,
some of the rapists and homosexuals were arrested and put into prison camps, and pink
triangles were put on their uniforms to identify them from the other prisoners. She believes that
thousands of these Pink Triangle Boys were brought to America at the end of World War II. She
also claims that the Nazi Government was brought down by the German people when reports
about the raping of children started spreading through the population. This seems to be
happening right now with the Bush Administration. The Jeff Gannon incident seems to be forcing
a lot of people to face the possibility that many top government officials are not what they claim
to be.

The Pink Triangle Boys

Jeff Gannon, Homosexual Prostitution

Kay: This funding group in New York, they would pay for passports which were illegal. In fact, my
grandfather was involved with that. That's how I know so much about it, because my grandfather
was told to keep silent and not tell anybody. And of course he told my grandmother, and my
grandmother told me, and I've told my children. Everybody knows they brought in probably more
than 200,000 Nazi soldiers, and SS, and you know, whacko scientists and psychologists. And all
of them, most of them, had "The German Disease." You know, because it was their culture.

Eric: The German Disease?

Kay: Yeah, "The German Disease" is what the Pink Triangle Boys were. Colonel Ron Ray writes
about this. He's a Marine Colonel who's a Christian who's writing about the "Cherry Marines,"
about homosexuality, and the group sex orgies, and so forth, which brought down the German
government. Because Naples, which is where all of the Navy is doing their playing, I mean today,
in Naples, these orgies are going on. It was where Krupp, [4] the weapons manufacturer, used to
take the German High Command, and they would go onto the Isle of Capri into the Blue Grotto.
And they would have big orchestras, and they'd bring in little boys, little Italian boys, who would
be raped. They'd give them trinkets. And of course the mothers gradually found out, and just like
me, it was one thing when there was just one of me, now there a lot more of us wives who are
talking and telling truth. And those Italian women went to newspapers in Italy. They wouldn't
listen. But when they went to the wives of these guys in Germany, it brought it all out. It brought
the German government down, because they were duplicitous in it. But what they were doing
was pedophilia. They were raping, bringing in little boys. They involve the Catholic Priests, you
know, who were bringing in ... Anyway, but what happened was this whole group came over to
the United States. And it's an old culture. But it's the reason there are a lot of things going on with
children these days. And it explains why it's all being covered up. Because if you've got police
officers who are playing these games, and they're going into the woods, like what is that place
where, I mean, even Eisenhower played these games, even Mike Kemp out at it's called "The
Hermitage" in California, where they all get drunk and they run around nude in the woods and
stuff.

Eric: The Hermitage? Bohemian Grove?

Kay: That's it! Bohemian Grove.

Eric: Rather than Hermitage?

Kay: Bohemian Grove. That's the name of it. My brain's tired. And there was a big one in
Washington called Rush River Lodge where they used to all go. And there are lots of places now,
but the problem, as I see it, is that I think they are trying to destroy America.

Eric: She also accuses Caspar Weinberger of being part of this group of criminals.
Kay: They are selling weapons! I mean, that is what the military is doing. It's totally controlled by
the Mob. Look at this. Weinberger was General Douglas MacArthur's -- he spied on MacArthur in
Korea. Who was MacArthur's nemesis, albatross? It was none other than little old intelligence
"I'm-going-to-tell-every-move-you-make" Weinberger. Young. But he did it. He brought down
MacArthur. Every move MacArthur was going to make, he broadcast it through the Chaplain, his
little intelligence network. And he got brownie points with the group because he brought down
the big lion. When you bring down a big lion like that, you get a big job. You've done good work.
And they needed to get rid of MacArthur because he didn't want to keep the wars going. He
wanted it over and, you know, it's like General Truffey (sp?) who took over after the Vietnam War
was over. And he was on C-Span in August 1996 with former Ambassador Whitehead, and a few
of the other State Department Vietnam people, and General Truffey had been holding these
things in for years. He was on C Span. This man let it all out. He said, "I took over at the end of
the Vietnam War. I was in control, right? Big general in charge. So I say, 'Cut off the shipment of
weapons.' So I tell the Pentagon, 'Cut off the shipment of weapons.' " He said, "I got a phone call
from Henry Kissinger saying, 'The weapons are going to continue at the wartime rate.'

Eric: Just when you think you've heard the strangest accusation possible, she comes up with
another one that's even more difficult to believe. For example, she claims that some Communist
dictators were also put through the homosexual mind control procedure by these criminals.

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Kay: Because already the Communist agents, the New York, Brooklyn, New Jersey Mob, were
already training Mao. Mao was trained in Paris. So was, you know, the one in Cambodia. What's
his name? I can't think of his name. The one who was Pol Pot. They were homosexually -- bless
their little hearts -- by priests. They were wonderful little boys, sent there, you know, "turned,"
which is the word when they believe their mothers, and then all of a sudden the world's horrible,
and they have these wonderful friends who are going to make them leaders. They are turned,
psychologically, and it's a pattern. And so this is why it's so important to know what they are
doing to innocent little boys in the Army and the Marine Corps today.

Eric: In her eight hours of interview, she lets out a lot of accusations. And she accuses a lot of
high ranking government officials of a lot of serious crimes. She does not show any signs of
hesitation or fear except when asked one particular question. In this next segment, she is
explaining that both her uncle and her husband were involved in secret weapons sales to a
certain country for "The Joint." Which country? And who is "The Joint"? This is the only issue that
she hesitates to talk about. However, after saying the "Z" word, she returns to normal and
resumes her accusations of murder, corruption and sexual perversion.

Kay: You know, selling weapons to whatever country. I know the country, but in other words, they
were doing work for "The Joint" under the table all these years.

Eric: Okay, and directly under whose instructions to sell these weapons? Do you know that?

Kay: Yeah.

Eric: Okay, who would that be?

Kay: Well, it's an Israeli Zionist group in New York.

Eric: Mossad?

Kay: Well, yeah, but everybody thinks Mossad like they think CIA. CIA is just sort of a bogus kind
of thing. It's really Army Intelligence that does just about everything. They run a lot of the
psychological profiling which is done at Quantico with the FBI. It's all a very small group. Harvard
professors connected with Tavistock, Darisalom (sp?), and there's a sexual perversion group in
Vienna, and one in Colorado. I think that little girl was part of that experiment, you know who ...

Eric: Jon Benet?

Kay: Yeah.

Eric: Well, that raises an interesting point because here is a high profile murder that goes
nowhere. No investigation. Nobody's pinned. It just goes on and on and on.

Kay: The parents are involved in that program.

Eric: But someone higher up is protecting them.

Kay: Absolutely.

Eric: And it's the same thing that you're describing about the military.

Kay: Sure.

Eric: If you're in the clique, you can get away with murder.

Kay: Yeah, absolutely. Murder. Literally murder.

T. Parker Host, Inc., Ship Agents and Brokers

Eric: As many women do, she would introduce people to one another to help them find friends.
She helped both her husband and one of her friends from school meet a man named T. Parker
Host. She later decided that Parker Host was connected with organized crime. However, her
friend from school married him anyway.
Kay: This is his wife Ann. And I introduced him to her.

Eric: Good work.

Kay: She's my school friend, you know.

Eric: Is she still married to him?

Kay: Yeah. I mean he's loaded. She wants a lot of money. Her uncle is one of the guys who went
to the moon. Collins.

Eric: She mentions that her friend is related to Michael Collins, who went to the moon on Apollo
11. If you believe that NASA sent people to the moon, take a look at my Science Challenge at my
website. Six groups of astronauts were sent to the moon, but not one of them saw stars. NASA
claims that stars cannot be seen on the moon because the sun is too bright. A video called "A
Funny thing happened on the way to the moon," shows the portion of the press conference
where the astronauts were asked about the stars. Neal Armstrong answers, and afterwards
Michael Collins makes a remark that he does not remember seeing any stars. Michael Collins
was in the command module circling the moon, while the other two astronauts were on the
surface of the moon.

Q. When you looked up at the sky, could you actually see the stars and the solar corona in spite
of the glare?
Neal Armstrong: We were never able to see stars from the lunar surface or on the daylight side
of the moon by eye without looking through the optics. I don't recall during the period of time that
we were photographing the solar corona what stars we could see.

Michael Collins: I don't remember seeing any.

Eric: Collins wants us to believe that during his entire trip to and from the moon, he never
bothered to look out the window. These three astronauts just accomplished the most incredible
achievement the human race has ever made. But notice how sad, nervous and worried they
look?
Why would NASA fake a moon landing? Perhaps, as Kay Griggs says, "I think they're trying to
destroy America." A fake moon landing can destroy morale among scientists, and make America
look like a nation of idiots. The news reporters also seem to be controlled by these criminals and
their Pink Triangle boyfriends. News reports about child sex and homosexuality among
government officials are quickly suppressed. For example, do you remember when Colin Powell
discussed the issue of sex slaves? "We're talking about women and girls as young as 6 years old
trafficked into commercial sexual exploitation." Not many people know about this issue because
the television news reporters prefer to talk about Michael Jackson and Terry Schiavo. A hundred
years ago, Al Capone and other gangsters were manipulating city governments. Today, the
criminals are manipulating entire nations. Most people's reaction is to complain about the
criminals. However, the criminals are not the problem. As I wrote on page 150 of my book, "A
nation that has an incompetent government is vulnerable to abuse from both its own citizens and
from foreign nations." Complaining about corruption will not make the world better. Instead, we
should be discussing the issue of how to provide ourselves with better governments.

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Transcribed from Eric Hufschmid’s 1998 video interview.

KG: Kay Griggs

EH: Eric Hufschmid

OC: [off camera] Three people, I think. Camera, lighting and one other.

EH: ...Okay, everything is rolling?

OC: [unintelligible]

EH: Yep, the red lights on. Okay, let’s say a little a prayer. Lord Jesus, we’re
thankful of this day and opportunity to do your service. Lord you said you
should know the truth and the truth shall make you… free. And that's what
we're interested in accomplishing here today, in Jesus’ name. Alright, now more
technical thing and its kinda of gets weird but it goes like this: ten, nine, eight,
seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. Alight, Kate, now I’ll tell ya, what I just did
is to simply to synchronise the cameras is not magical and it doesn't mean ‘oh
my god’ the countdown is here we’re… What we’re gonna do is we’re just going
to record a bunch of stuff here and we can do some more tomorrow if we forget
some today doesn't matter we can put it in if you think of something in twenty
minutes that should have been said right up front it doesn't matter.

KG: Great
 

EH: We simply want to reduce the standard tape so that it doesn't get lost

KG: Yeah, yeah.

EH: Okay? Um, and the big job lays ahead that's the edit, okay. So, I just want
you to completely relax there's nothing that can't be done/redone if we sneeze,
if we cough, if, you know, anything.

KG: That’s reassuring.

EH: If the ceiling caves in...

KG: [laughs]

EH: All we do is, is clean up the mess and keep on.

KG: Okay.

EH: So, everything here is real laidback. You've got a lot of information and we
want to, we want to get this done into a story line because I think what we've
got here is something that is extremely important for people to know.
 

KG: Yeah.

EH: Alright. Uh, let’s talk a little about you and, uh, let’s see now. You, where
did you start out your life? Born and raised in the country?

KG: Yeah, I raised on and on a farm in fact I live in the same neighbourhood in
which I grew up. It was my Grandfather's, um, farm. Part… part of it was divided
into thirds but in nineteen thirty nine my grandfather, [who] was an obstetrician
in Norfolk, he was also in the naval reserves, he was in charge of military
intelligence, er, in, in Norfolk, which is the largest military naval complex in the
world. So I was born in the naval hospital which is, was the NATO
headquarters...

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: ...and brought home to my Grandparents farm. Uh, my Father was in the
South China Sea’s on a naval vessel. My Uncle was in the Navy. I come from a
long line of military/civilian, er, folks. They, they were not full time military
individuals, they, they had jobs and they would go into the war they would be in
reserve and as my grandfather was he stayed in and retired a Navy Captain but I
live an in house that was in part of my Grandfather's field.

EH: That’s great.

 
KG: But I’m, I’m being strangled, financially, by, erm, the, this army intelligence
group, JAG group, that my husband, erm…

EH: Now this JAG, is that J.A.G?

KG: JAG, judge, advocate, general. Erm, I think American citizens do not realize
how many JAGs are in our court system and they take orders. They are in the
chain of command, they’re active reserve and they’re in our court system
everywhere you look...

EH: Judges federal and state?

KG: ...and local, everywhere, yeah and they're going to, erm, meetings once a
month and if there is a case uh, like many of the military intelligence wise, like
myself, and we have information that would come out in a, in a divorce hearing
or whatever they totally control it inside. Judge John Moore in my case, um, in
Virginia Beach, is a, is an Army Ranger. His, erm, he is active reserve he's VMI
(Virgina Military Institute) army colonel. He's a graduate of VMI in Virginia Beach
in the courts. There are at least six judges, and I'm, I'm including commissioners
in that because in Virginia we have a system where the commissioners do the,
erm, do the, a lot of the decisions and all of these in Virginia Beach, who take
care of military wives, are military judge.

EH: Now, you mentioned the term VMI, what, what is that?

KG: Well VMI is Virgina Military Institue and it's where, erm, General Marshall,
the Marshall Plan went to school, it's, it's a little west point there's a lot of
tradition there, erm, but these based on, on the Greek sort of spartan military
concept and my father went to Washington and Lee [University], which is also in
Lexington, and i know that there is of some sort of, I won’t say cult, but there
probably is some sort of, erm...

EH: Club?

KG: ...secret society...

EH: Okay.

KG: and, so it's very, very tight clique. Erm, but what I trying to say is that the
judges are military men and they're not independent. They eight take orders...

EH: Orders.

KG: They’re on, there's a chain of command and in my particular case and the
other eleven military wives that, who, whom I had met so far there many, many
more, but, they've all been handled the same way.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: Not, it's not a normal divorce, er, at all.

 

EH: I've, I've heard of these kinda situations before but never, it’s never been put
so a concisely and so reasonably that there would be connection why some
people just, no matter what attorney you have, it doesn't matter.

KG: Oh, no.

EH: The divorces in the settlements of assets never go the right way.

KG: No. And there's the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court) court
which I know is involved in, in my case.

EH: What kind of court?

KG: Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. It’s a justice department secret court
that American citizens are not aware of. There have been a couple of articles on
it. It's a small group of men and I think there's a woman on it. I believe there's
seven justices and in reality the in the article that I read, which was given to me
by Mike Fuller, and I know he would not mind using his name, he's at the
government assassin, he was a, er, like my husband, a government assassin,
who, er, did…

EH: When you say assassin are you talking character assassination or kill people?

 
KG: No, killing people.

EH: Uh-huh, Okay.

KG: He’s a, he’s a mercenary government mercenary.

EH: Okay.

KG: He was in Afghanistan and Rhodesia, South Africa, and I met him and his
wife through Sarah McClendon. He’s a real wonderful patriot who is speaking
out about what the NATO community and the Army and Marine Corps are doing.

EH: And Sarah McClendon she’s a, she’s an old horses, isn’t she?

KG: Sarah saved my life, literally.

EH: Really?

KG: Yeah. I had been having break-ins starting on, starting the night of March
the fourth after I was calling everywhere to see if I could find my husband. He
would, you know, disappear at times, and I found my husband's diary, which I
have here, which they had been not anxious to have erm, get out.
 

EH: Uh-huh. Now ‘they’ meaning?

KG: The, well they, General Sheehan [John J. "Jack" Sheehan], General Krulak
[Victor H. Krulak], Marine Corps Colonels, excuse me, Generals, er, Al Gray
[Alfred M. Gray, Jr.], er, Cook [Donald G. Cook ] and especially General Joy.

EH: Joy.

KG: General Jim Joy and General Carl Stiner [General Carl Wade Stiner] are, they
are evil men. And they are in this diary meeting with my husband almost every
day in Beirut. They trained the Men in Black who killed those people in Waco. It
was General Joy and General Steiner [General Felix Martin Julius Steiner?].
Steiner's army. Dirty tricks. Special Operations. And this is what my husband
does for a living, is train mercenaries, young boys, from countries like Romania,
Cuba, er, I mean, Dominican Republic, Haiti, all these countries. They’re training
them to be murderers and taxpayers' dollars are paying for this.

EH: Okay, now they train them just through the normal channels of the military?
These kids join the army or the Marine Corps and they select these kids based
on some criteria to train them?

KG: They psychologically profile them. The profile, which is similar to my

husbands and Lee Harvey Oswald’s and [Timothy] McVeigh’s and some of the
others, who were all part of this program. Dahmer, Jeffrey Dahmer was profile
then hidden, you know, they… what, what most Americans do not know is that
all of these men are…
 

EH: Jeffrey Dahmer, he has a military background?

KG: Of course, they're all army.

EH: Oh, Okay.

KG: They were all picked out because they're perverted or twisted.

EH: Oh.

KG: Yeah.

EH: Sexual perverted?

KG: Sexually perverted and therefore, you know.

EH: Yeah.

 
KG: Well now, I don’t think McVeigh was perverted the way Dahmer was but
certainly the group that my husband is overseeing are twisted.

EH: So they, part of the criteria is they look for people who've got something in
their history that gives them a weird bend?

KG: Yeah.

EH: Like, they were molested when they were a child or they come from
dysfunctional families, abuse…

KG: Strong mother, weak father or no father, poor, because these guys are
looking for security. They will stay in the military and do anything…

EH: Okay.

KG: …for that security. This was my husband’s scenario. My husband and
Oswald are just two peas in a pod. Exactly the same personality, the same type,
in the same elite group, I might add, which was doing work with Communists
and Russians and Czechoslovakians with Romanians. I met assassins, I met drug
lords, [Manucher Ghorbanifar?] whose family were the drug lords in the Beqaa
[Bekaa] valley. I mean, he knows the elite of the elite of the elite and that's
why… I was warned, twice, not to talk.

EH: And you were warned, er…

 

KG: I was told that I that I would be killed. I was told…

EH: Your husband warned you about this? Or…

KG: My husband warned me early on and, but he knew that, erm, he loved me in
the beginning. I'm sure he really did but he's, he's a robot, my husband. Except
when he's drinking and I think that's why he drank because the first three years
of marriage he was telling me everything and I come from a very strong
protestants, southern culture which, you know when you're talking about
shooting people like ducks… it, I, the only thing I can relate it to is my brother's
going duck hunting.

And that’s what George would tell me, it was like, killing is just like, you know
it's nothing, there's no emotion involved, you just get rid of some body and he
said he was an existentialist and that these murders were necessary and, you
know it was very matter of fact, and I would sort of  go, “Uh-hum, yeah” and
we’d be eating dinner and I was trying to get him to be, to know Christ, you
know, sort of understand a little bit about my, my background and America’s
background but he, his group are, they are not Christians.

They’re what he calls existentialist. And they study German Clausewitz [Carl
Philipp Gottfried von Clausewitz], Nietzsche [Friedrich Nietzsche], Sartre [Jean-
Paul Charles Aymard Sartre], Camus [Albert Camus], er, Montesquieu [Charles-
Louis de Secondat, Baron de La Brède et de Montesquieu] and his thesis at
Princeton, which is a written for him by a very good friend of his named Todave,
who is a French count, and his thesis was on this.

 
And supposedly it was in French but my French is better than his so he could
not have written that by himself. I know that. I know that it was written for him.
But in the intelligence world and in the Communist world and the world that my
husband was in one had to know French because all of the terrorist trainers and
they guys who were funding guerrillas and everything, were in Paris and New
Orleans.

They would go back and forth, still the fourth marines is, is out of New Orleans.
And that's been going on a long time ever since Disraeli [Benjamin Disraeli].
Even before, I think. They had hit squads and, you now, undercover groups in
New Orleans. And George would go to New Orleans, all the marines, I mean,
they had, this is where they train do terrorist training. Lake Pontchartrain and
places like that.

EH: Okay, this would be during the nineteen-eighties?

KG: Yeah, nineteen eighties

EH: Okay.

KG: From the nineteen, I think New Orleans has been a school for a place where
debauchery and murder and cults…

EH: Flourish.

 
KG: Yeah.

EH: Well, there's a New Orleans connection with the J.F. Kennedy assassination.

KG: Well, you see, Oswald, my husband and Oswald were in the same club.
General Jim Joy is in that club, General Louis Buell [Louis H. Buehl III], who is my
husband's benefactor, or whatever you want to call it, is in that club. There is
a… in fact I’ve got the name of erm, there are Russians in that club.

EH: Feel free to grab any, you know, reference material.

KG: What I want to tell you about General Al Gray, my husband was a Chief of
Staff for General Al Gray, who was a Commodore of the Marine Corps, and I
shouldn’t probably say this on the tape, and you can all get rid of it, but he’s a
homosexual.

EH: Gray?

KG: Gray. He’s what they call a ‘Cherry Marine’. Now I’m not anti… [looking
through her belongings] I’m trying to find my… I hope I’ve got it. Yeah, here it
is. Er, the, during the Vietnam War…

EH: Now this term, ‘Cherry Marine’ means…

 
KG: [chuckles]

EH: …that’s a common phrase that’s in the military?

KG: See, the thing is, I, you know, there are guys and there are girls. I just came
from such a… [laughs] a real prudish culture. You know?

EH: Yeah, that’s fine. You came from a normal culture.

KG: And, and I'm not, not judging them but they, erm. The Vietnam War, I know
a lot about that, about the MACSOG [Military Assistance Command, Vietnam –
Studies and Observations Group] program and the Phoenix program because
George was involved with this very important part of that, not important really
but he and Al Gray and Louis Buell and Michael O'Boyle and [Olly Whipple]
were… do you remember the mengaze and peubo, was it the…?

EH: Oh, the seizure of that little ship?

KG: Yes. This was, it’s run by the mob, then. It was a mob/military, er,
partnership. Joint [American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee], it was a joint
operation. In Korea and in Vietnam. The highest levels of the Marine Corps and
the army, in those special operations levels, the individuals are actually in the
mob, New Jersey…

EH: You talking about the mafia type mob?

 

KG: I’m talking about the Brooklyn/New Jersey mob. My husband, Al Gray,
Sheehan, they’re all… Brooklyn, Cap Weinberge [Caspar W. "Cap" Weinberge],
Heinz Kissinger. There’s the Boston mob which were shipping weapons back
and forth to Northern Ireland. And I don’t want to get too deeply involved in that
but it goes… Israel, some of the Zionists who came over from Germany,
according to my husband, were… see he works with those people.

They do a lot of money laundering in the banks, cash transactions for the drugs
that they're bringing over, through Latin America, that the southern Mafia, the
Dixie Mafia, which is now my husband's involved with in Miami. The military are
all involved at once they retire. They, you know, they go into this drug and the
secondary weapon sales. And, before I forget, I want to find the name of this
Russian who worked with Al Gray, who was my husband’s boss, and [looking
through her notes] trying to see where it wrote it. I may have to look and find
that another…

EH: It’s no trouble at all. [to staff] How are we doing, sounding good? How much
time has rolled on the clock? On your clock? You can speak.

OC: Twenty minutes.

EH: Okay.

KG: I can’t find it right now. I’ll find it. The Vietnam [War] was really important
because a lot of experiments were done on boys who went over there. I had,
since my husband disappeared and since they had been psychologically trying
to destroy me, financially trying to destroy me, because I'm telling the truth.
 

The, his first wife I know was murdered. She was, according to psychiatrist,
whose name I probably won't give because he's an honourable man, I was given
permission before I went public with Sarah McClendon at the press club,
anonymously, but they knew who I was on the third of July nineteen ninety six,
was when I came out with as small group of people.

But before that time they were trying to handle me, to try and get me to be
quiet, they tried threatening me and so forth. And I’m trying to remember where
I was, what I was going to, the point I was going to make. I can’t remember now.
It was something important. Oh, yeah, General Jim Joy. I called General Jim Joy
on the phone trying to find where my husband was because I didn't know
whether I had money to eat, you know, food to eat or what.

He just walked away and I knew that the Marine Corps knew where he was but I
was being handled psychologically. On the fourth of March my home is broken
into. They had elaborate plans to handle me.

EH: The fourth of March ninety six?

KG: Nineteen ninety six.

EH: Ninety six.

KG: And keep in mind he had disappeared on the twenty-eighth of December.

 

EH: Of ninety-six?

KG: Yeah, ninety six/ninety five.

EH: Okay, uh-huh.

KG: So put yourself in my shoes. I had no idea where he is. He’s done this
before and each time I was totally traumatized. So I get…

EH: What happened during this break-in?

KG: Well, they were looking for the diary, which I have here.

EH: Okay.

KG: I don't have the original copy but this is the diary.

EH: Okay. Can you lift it up so we can…

 
KG: Yeah, sure.

EH: Yeah, just…

KG: This is it, it’s his Beirut diary.

EH: Can you hold it up so…

KG: Yeah, [hold it up to camera a rafts through the pages] this is it.

EH: Okay.

KG: And it’s in his handwriting. The Beirut diary tells how the intelligence
community the Army and Marine Corps assassins, snipers are, how they operate
in the city during a crisis. My husband was the liaison between the White House
and president Jamal. So he, my husband is a friend of spoke off Scowcroft
[Lieutenant General Brent Scowcroft], McFarlane [Colonel Robert C. McFarlane],
Ledeen [Michael Ledeen] all of these men are personal friends of George’s.
Colby [William Colby], I spoke with personally on the phone. Two weeks later
was murder. He went to Princeton, my husband knew him, he knew my
husband. He told me, Colby told me that…

EH: This is General Colby?

 
KG: No, this is William Colby who was head of the CIA.

EH: Oh, Okay, yeah.

KG: Who was murdered in a…

EH: So called boating accident.

KG: I know exactly how that happened because, you see the SEAL teams, SEAL
team six… four, six and eight are on the east coast and then the odd numbers
are on the west coast. And some of the people who affiliated with the SEALs…
[pauses]

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: I should say that. I'm not going to say it. But…

EH: Are you saying it wouldn’t be hard for a SEAL to come from underwater and
tip the boat over and make sure that the man is dead, that sort of thing?

KG: The Israelis train with the SEALs. They do a lot of wet ops – murders.

 
EH: Okay.

KG: Over here. Because of some sort of arrangement the young boys… I met
three young assassins on a bus going up, back and forth as I went on the bus
because they were sabotaging my car so often. So I sat next to two young
assassins, one from Romania, one from Haiti and I let them know that I
understand, you know, how it is and this little boy cried. I won’t mention which
one it was because it may get back to him… but, he told me, it was the same
scenario, his mother, he lives on eight hundred and fifty dollars a month. Now
these are mercenaries, working, the taxpayers are paying mercenaries.

The taxpayers are paying young men, who are not citizens of the United States,
to kill innocent people, women and children. They get on a flight from Norfolk
and Oceania, they fly to Stuttgart, and I was told this, this is what they do. Then
they go by a special helicopter to countries like Turkey, like part of Iraq, to
Algeria, to parts of Africa and they do wet ops, you know, murder five, ten,
twenty people and then they blame it on the Arabs or they blame it on
somebody else but it's actually NATO rouge assassins. Because they are men
from Australia, South Africa, Britain, that I’ve been able to determine, and a lot
of these other little countries that are sort of wanting to get into NATO, who,
they have little boys that they pick out and they call them ‘special’. They use the
word special meaning, elite, irregular, in order to entice these boys because
they don't have much ego.

So if you've called being a criminal, in other words they are protected. They
know if they are above the law, That's what they, my husband’s above the law.
Judge John Moore is above the law. Colonel Barry Kantor, my husband's JAG
Colonel, lawyer, is above the law. Grover Right, Marine Corps, all of these… a lot
of these guys, who are judges, had their wives gotten rid of. Judge John Moore
had his first wife thrown into a mental institution before he became a judge. He
battered her. He, and, and I spoke with a man who has a purple heart, who, two
people, who knew Hannah very well, and Hannah Moore was deeply in love with
her husband. He got back from Vietnam, he was an Army Ranger. He battered
her. He physically and psychologically abused her. And she started screaming,
you know, doing what I… because I was battered and bruised.

A lot of wives are, by these, these Vietnam Vets. But if their approval or if they
are rising star the wife has got to be crazy. Because they’ve got too much
invested in these men and it's a very small cult. I mean, they have heard the
things that they do when they're Colonels. It's some of the same things that they
do capping down, which is the Princeton version of Skull and Bones.

My husband went to Princeton, after he went to behind school for four years.

EH: Okay, you know, we should probably clarify a little bit about… you
mentioned Skull and Bones and many of the people wouldn’t be familiar with
that, and the cap and gown, so what are these… are these clubs that these
young inductees are pulled into secret societies…

KG: Secret societies and…

EH: And, again, is this to make them feel super special.

KG: Yes.

EH: And also put a control on them so that you never tell these secrets.

 
KG: Yes, that’s it. You have got it.

EH: You know, I have heard a lot of child molesters, I mean people who are not
connected to the military, just plain old child molesters will molest a child then
tell them ‘if you ever tell’ you know, they’ll take a cat and strangle it and kill it
or something, ‘this is what I am going to do to your mother, this is what I’ll do
to you. Bad things will happen if you ever tell.’

KG: That’s right.

EH: And children grow up believing that, ‘I must never ever tell’ and they don’t,
generally.

KG: That’s right.

EH: Unless someone comes along to help them… see the light come out.

KG: Yes. And you see my husband is frightened to death, I believe that his
brother was murdered to keep him in. Because he had gone through four years
of this mind control and that the man who did it all, you can see this on the
video, his name was Charles Caddock and another man named Alexander
Robinson.

EH: Okay, Charles Caddock

 

KG: Charles Caddock.

EH: And the other one.

EH: Alexander Robinson. Alexander Robinson was a marine, very well

connected, Presbyterian family, whose family member was the influential one
who brought over the Saudis. The original Saudi, head of Saudi Arabia, was
very… George told me all this about Mohamed Faisal [Prince Mohamed al-
Faisal], Khalid Faisal [Prince Khalid al-Faisal] and Saad Faisal [Prince Saad bin
Faisal] there were something like thirty two brothers of, the then, in the in the
mid fifties, the ordained, you know whoever was head of Saudi Arabia [King
Faisal of Saudi Arabia], it was actually the United States who chose that person
because the United States, through Charles Caddock from that group, murdered
the good one, the one who was, whom everybody liked, well educated and who
was normal.

In, I believe it was nineteen fifty two, nineteen fifty three, nineteen fifty four, in
Paris, the universal Saudi, the well-educated Saudi was poisoned.

EH: And what was his name…

KG: Charles Caddock was… er…

EH: I don’t suppose it was all that important.

 

KG: I'm trying to remember I think it was, er… Faheem… or... he died in Paris
and so his brother, his half brother, or whatever, who the father of all these
thirty two boys and the three oldest were snuck into the United States. I have a
degree in history, Virginia history, undergraduate degree and masters in
Scottish history and being a southerner we always look at, you know… past is
prologue. And I jumped into the Saudi Arabian books to try and find out
something about the Hun School, which is in Princeton, started by physicists,
connected with Einstein and that group.

So I was looking for the Hun School because I knew they went there and there in
all the brochures, because they were very proud to say, you know, we have the
Saudi royals went here. President [Cheeseborough?] brags about going over
there and being wined and dined and, you know. So I, I only found one
reference but it was a reference that said something like ‘went to a prep school
in the United States’ that all they said.

Well it was the Hun School. My husband was one of the play mates. Charles
Caddock was the bodyguard, quote-unquote teacher.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: For these guys. So they would go out and play in woods and they were
doing homosexual things with them. You know, I mean there was a lot of
money, they bought a big house and so.

EH: I was momentarly distracted, so…

 

KG: Okay.

EH: Explain to me a little about this the homosexual event here.

KG: Well, George for the first three years at marriage was drinking entirely too
much and he, he was trying to let me know about his world and I’m not judging
him. He a bisexual and…

EH: He needed help.

KG: He needed help, he needed love, he needed…

EH: Still does.

KG: He still does. He really needs help. And the handlers knew that I was
changing him I was taking him away from this crazy cult that he’d been in all
these years. And I mean we were going to church, he even walked down the
aisle one time when Tony Evans preached at scope. I mean he was overwhelmed,
and…

EH: At scope?

 
KG: At scope in Norfolk. It's a big auditorium.

EH: Okay.

KG: And so. But he was a little boy when he was… its mind control. MKUltra
somebody said. They had a group of men, psychiatrist in New Jersey. I don't
know where this place was but they would go and… even his roommates in
Princeton told me about it. George never in, intentionally, he never introduced
me to any of his friends so I had to cold call all these people. I got their names,
addresses, telephone numbers, I called all his roommates at the Hun School at
Princeton. They tell me things about George and, you know, holding hands with,
you know, with Caddock and other people about being a cheerleader and going
off and so forth.

EH: Now a cheerleader, this is a betrayed name, right?

KG: No he was a cheerleader for the, er…

EH: At Princeton.

KG: At Princeton. And he travelled with the football team.

EH: Okay.

 
KG: And here is a guy like that they put in the Marine Corps? I don't think that
was very nice. Do you know what I'm saying? It was hard for him.

EH: But it was part of the…

KG: Part of the…

EH: Part of the long term vision.

KG: Absolutely. They wanted him long-term and it’s because of the Saudis. This
is what I believe and what his roommate believes.

He had a roommate at Princeton who was also at the Hun, who's a dear, dear
wonderful… His, his mother, and his mother is, is an Anglican his father was a
Jewish doctor from Brooklyn. And Jack is a deer. And we talk to each other a lot
on the phone. George sort of dismissed him because George was getting in with
another crowd.

George got into Cap and Gown which is the same kind of fraternity.  I mean it's
a eating club at Princeton for intelligence officers.

EH: In Cap and Gown did they have anybody involved who wasn't intelligence
oriented?

 
KG: Football players, and so forth.  But I have a feeling that Cap and Gown has a
lot of intelligence officers and boys who may have been raped. Of course, they'd
never talk about it.

EH: Right.

KG: But I know that in the initiation they get very drunk, even in the Marine Corp
they do that, it's called "’Dining in.’ They have the ‘shellback’ ceremony. They
do a lot of homosexual enticement. The boys, when they come in, when they are
new recruits, they strip them nude, they violate their personal parts, and a lot of
that is going on even now.

EH: What about ‘tailhook’?

KG: Yeah.

EH: Is there a connection?

KG: Yeah, sure! Because the ‘cream of the crop’ is doing this. They are having
group sex parties.

EH: That was a Navy operation too, wasn't it?

 
KG: Yeah but the Navy and the Marine Corps do…

EH: Of course maybe we ought to…

KG: That’s another…

EH: They don’t know anything about tailhook was, refresh our memories.

KG: Well, tailhook, I, when I was single, in Norfolk, erm, I know one of the
people who was deeply involved with tailhook. Who is, was Captain of the
[Seritoga?], was very much involved in this kind of behaviour and I know a lot
about the… see I never, I never put, I never thought about group sex. This is so
awful. For me to contemplate that these orgies are going on all over the
Mediterranean that the Captains, Lieutenants, the men who rise to the top are
the ones who are picked to play the games, the pool parties, the nude pool
parties. They have the secretaries are come in. I’ve talked to three guys, and of
course my husband, who went to these parties. They, what they do is, and this
is General Al Gray, who was the main prime mover, they would go to a place like
[eslaerosae?] where Charles Caddock, this teacher who induct, got my husband
in to it. He retired in one of these all-male party houses, on Mediterranean, I
mean, that’s where he, and my husband kept up with him, all through the years.

EH: These sex parties and orgies they’re all homosexual in nature or, or is there
some heterosexual?

KG: Well, they start off with, what with, the wild secretaries. It’s kind of, you
know, my husband did those in Indonesia, he did them in a place in Northern
Virginia with this first wife. I did not know any of this. I knew absolutely none of
this. When I married him. He told me he was loyal to his wife, he wanted me to
think he was apple pie because I’m just a one man woman. When I when I took
that oath to marry him: love, honour, obey. That’s me. But he, when he was
married his first wife, was just an addict. He was a sexual addict, an alcoholic
addict, he loved terror and his whole little soul was just being sucked away from
him, desperately. And he really he needs Christ. He needed, he needed me day-
in and day out. He did not need to be… what he's doing now is in running more
of these operations

EH: You know as you described this I can’t help but think of Bill Clinton.

KG: well of course he was, he was one of those profiled boys. But the difference
between Bill Clinton, and I'm not saying Bill Clinton's better, but Bill Clinton did
not go, he didn't know anything about the assassinations. Bill Clinton, when I
was living with Sarah McClendon, senior White House correspondent who saved
my life, because she said ‘Misses Griggs, you get up here to Washington right
now or you're dead. You’re going to be dead’. And I still feel as though I
probably will be. I'll certainly be financially ruined. They are still doing
psychological operations in my home, sabotaging my car, messing with my
telephone, my radio. You cannot believe what I have been through in the last
two years. It is horrible. And it’s being done to other women and other wives
and other men who don't go along with the program. They are murdering
marines, they're murdering sailors.

EH: Of course one of the best ways for you to stay alive is to do what you’re
doing.

KG: Really?

 
EH: Oh, absolutely. Produce a video gets this scattered all over the country they
won't touch it because if you're dead that validates everything you're saying,
see. So…

KG: Well they poisoned people.

EH: Publicity is the best thing you can do.

KG: Yeah, I, one of the things they were happening to me after… Oh! I must tell
you about General Joy. I found his name all through the diary and what was
really strange was that George had mentioned him for earlier, early on marriage.
But then after a certain incident at

Camp Lejeune, which I think is very interesting relating to tailhook and

something that I did there, I’ll tell you about that if I can remember. I called, it
took me a lot to get General Joy’s phone number because the Marine Colonels
we're not going to tell me because they knew I was investigating.

EH: Uh-huh

KG: So nobody would tell me about General Joy I called a person in George’s
address book, who is a General, pretending that you know I was updating my
Christmas card list and I just wanted to find Jim Joy’s telephone number. He
said, ‘Oh, he’s just up there, he's running morale welfare recreation for the
world.’ You know a payoff job with the mob and he's not living outside of
Quantico and here's the phone number. So I call him up and keep in mind my
husband is infamous, Princeton graduate, Chief of Staff for Al Gray, who runs all
the dirty tricks for the Army, you know. Linda Tripp worked for Carl Stiner, who
is a partner of Jim Joy and Carl Stiner and my husband were the triumvirate in
Beirut.

EH: Okay.

KG: And Linda Tripp worked for Carl Stiner down there.

EH: This would be approximately?

KG: In the eighties. She and her husband were both delta force duos. They send
them but then they divorced so that broke up that. But she, she’s a dirty tricks
person, Linda. Anyway, so called General Joy and I say, ‘General Joy this is Kay
Griggs and I’m George Griggs’ wife, you know, Chief of Staff under Al Gray,
head of half the world/dirty tricks/special operations/wet ops’. And he goes,
‘No, I don’t believe I know your husband.’ Exactly his words. And I'm taping it by
the way. Because they took my tape. They started coming in and doing, putting
sticky stuff and running like, you know, just mind jagging me.

EH: Including the sticky stuff?

KG: On the tapes and they would put the tapes in different, you know they
would go to a lot of trouble they would take things that I said on one tape and
put it on another and… anyways they were having fun with me, psychologically.
But I taped this conversation with General Joy and I said both, ‘That's really
strange General Joy that you don't know my husband because I'm sitting here on
my bed and I'm looking at my husband's diary that he kept the whole time he
was in Beirut and you’re, you're in there on almost every page, you know, you're
in there a lot. And you're going over to Cyprus and Rome and you’re, you know,
getting money for weapons and, you know, and you’re going to Tel Aviv and
they're doing this in that. And, you know, you mean you don't know my husband
George Griggs and you’re a Marine he's a [unintelligible]?’ He went, ‘Oh, that
George Griggs.’ Because he knew I had the diary.

EH: I see.

KG: Then he said, ‘Oh, Miss Griggs let me call you back, let me. Let me call you
back.’ So he had to confirm with General Sheehan, General Joy, General
[Gayman?], General Hartzog and his little cabal. Particularly General Gray and
General Krulak. So, he called me back and he was just like a little puppy dog he
said, ‘Oh Miss Griggs, I’m going to be in Norfolk on the, now let’s see, the night
of the fifth, sixth and seventh. I’ll be at morale welfare recreation

meeting at the Mattiott Hotel and I would like to meet with you when I get there,
you know I'll be getting in around five o'clock and I can meet, we could go to
dinner or you could come and have breakfast next morning. You know, we could
eat, blah, blah, blah. Or eleven o'clock. Now I have to speak at this luncheon
engagement, you’re welcome to come to that or we can meet at…’ He went
through every hour of the whole time. He could not had been more insistent
about meeting me. If he’d have been my father, you know, my birthday or
something.

EH: So you did meet?

KG: I did. But I was afraid of him because I knew he was an assassin.

EH: This is General Joy?

 

KG: General Jim Joy the one who got Noriega [Manuel Antonio Noriega] of
Panama. He and Sheehan the one who is behind the whole operation in Panama.
This is a powerful guy. He and Carl Stiner, [mutt?] and Jeff.

Waco, they trained all the guys. Waco and did what they did to David Koresh

The other ones behind all the black helicopters, Sheehan. The other ones, you
know, doing all this stuff down there at Kathy McDaniel’s down at, you know,
and Fort Polk, Fort Hud.

EH: Something new on me, Kevin McDonald, McDaniels?

KG: Kathy McDaniels had a little talk show. She’s the wife, the daughter of the
mayor down there at Fort Polk. The little town outside of Fort Polk.

EH: Okay.

KG: And there were a lot of unusual things happening and because she was
talking about it they took her radio show off the air. They tried to, it’s a long
story but. Anyway, so General Joy got in contact with the NCIS [Naval Criminal
Investigative Service].

EH: That’s Fort Polk in Louisiana?

KG: Yes. But I met with the NCIS guy and a marine that I just met, cold call.
‘Cause I was kinda worried about what would happen to me, you know, meeting
him.

[intermittent break]

OC: [unintelligible]

EH: We’re rolling? All three cameras are rolling right now? They rolling?

OC: Yep.

EH: Great check-in. Here we go. Okay, now Steve. Come on over here and take a
quick glance at the uh... at this monitor. Notice how she’s framed here? Is mine
corresponding about the same?

OC: [unintelligible]

EH: So when we cut back and forth we are…

OC: [unintelligible]

 
EH: Okay, just take it wide. No, no, she’s just right.

OC: [unintelligible]

EH: I’m a little bigger than her so I may sit a little taller in the chair.

OC: [unintelligible]

EH: Okay, yeah. We’re not splitting hairs over it. Okay, we’re rolling? Ten, nine,
eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. Ignition, we have lift off, we’re
rolling. Thank you, this is part number two of this interview. Alright. Now we
have discussed, just a little bit of a recap here. A little bit about your
background, about the psychological profile these guys look for, let’s see, we
discussed the diary, we've discussed a Caddock and Alexander er…

KG: Robbinson.

EH: Robbinson, couldn’t read my writing, thank you. And er…

KG: I have a picture of Caddock.

 
EH: I have noted that, we should inject that. In fact we should have a little
session here where we just go through pictures at the table with us. We
discussed tailhook.

KG: You know what tailhook mean’s, don’t you?

EH: No, what is tailhook?

KG: [laughs]

EH: Oh-o. I got a feeling is it a homosexual reference?

KG: Yeah, sure!

EH: Did you know that, Steve? Isn’t that something? The average person on the
street has no idea. It’s like Watergate, well the Watergate Hotel, that makes
sense. And tailhook, that’s probably some reference to… you know what I
honestly thought it was? When you refuel a jet.

KG: It is, it is. You see, the planes look like this [draws a picture but screen
resolution is too low to make it out]. I was told this by [Jerry Andrew?] and Jerry
Andrew was a Captain when I met him. We were just partying, you know. I had a
group of gals and we all school friends and everybody hung around this place
called Poppies in Virginia Beach. It was the place in the mid eighties when I was
at the Virginia Center for World Trade. Well he, Jerry was in there, he's an
intelligence operative with Scowcroft, Scraw, you know, this whole… McFarlane,
Ed Wilson [Edwin P. "Ed" Wilson] he's a really good friend of my husband who's a
really bad guy. Anyway they’re all, some of them were doing this rush for the
lodge thing, which Angleton [James Angleton] was doing where Woodward [Bob
Woodward] would go to have these big orgy parties. And George went to a few
of those. But this, you see, is the plane and it kinda looks like that [resolution
too low to see].

EH: Okay.

KG: And it refules.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: See, that’s what the hook is for.

EH: That’s called the tailhook?

KG: Yes.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: But it has a double meaning.

 

EH: A double entendre, sure.

KG: Because… and I went to the proceeding show two weeks ago and they had
the tailhook booth and I have some stuff, I don't think I have it with me, but
tailhook souvenirs. Because they are they're really trying to promote that, you
know, the ‘charitable’ function of that organisation.

EH: Yes, of course. Now the fact that that cover got blown on those tailhook
things…

KG: [unintelligible]

EH: Was a major snafus, right

KG: She had to try very hard to get that out.

EH: That was at Camp Lejeune?

KG: No, I think it was in Las Vegas.

EH: Okay.
 

KG: Oh, but my thing went on in Camp Lejeune, well, for tailhook and this is
why I got flagged.

EH: Oh?

KG: Because I stopped all the go-go dancers and the Officers club and they got
very mad with me.

EH: Ooo.

KG: I can tell you that story, it's true.

EH: But why… you didn't realise what you're doing at the time?

KG: No, I was just incensed, you know, that they would allow topless women,
young girls in the office club dining room while I was trying to eat late one
night. And George says, ‘Well you know, you just have to get used to it if you
think this is anything you ought to see what you want to see what goes on in
Okinawa.’ Well this was, this was on ninety-one? Ninety… it was before tailhook.
And the lord is always with me sometimes I don't know where he is but this
particular night it was that nine o'clock and I was starving and I was really mad
because his reaction wasn’t, ‘I’m sorry. This is offensive. Do you want to go in
town to eat or something’. He didn't do that, he attacked me. It was a chance to
educate me the way they were educated.
 

EH: I see.

KG: Get used to it bitch, you know, Excuse my French. But that’s really what he
was trying to do. Well they were all young married officers. Now, I worked at the
chamber and this is taxpayer money, this looks bad, they had, you know,
wedding bands on and one of the guys, two of the guys goes out with one of
the girls. So I'm going, after having said, ‘don't you see anything wrong with this
picture.’ And getting no background I thought, ‘Oh, wait I’ve got a camera in my
pocketbook. I am going to see Martin [Ugie?] my old roommate from Saint
Mary's, little [unintelligible] from junior college in Raleigh, North Carolina, and I
said, ‘Whoa! little Lucille Ball comes out I’d just kinda grabbed that little camera
with the flash and I get me three little flashes of scattering people. So…

EH: Just because the camera’s gone off?

KG: Yes! So that said to me, it proved to him God, truth is light, light is truth,
you know. Hey, this isn’t, I mean God proved it. I didn't do it. I didn’t argue. I
just took pictures, they scattered. Then what happened…

EH: What happened to the pictures?

KG: Well, he, I, he tried to grab my camera.

EH: He?
 

KG: My husband.

EH: Right.

KG: But there were still some men in there, you see, and two of the girls and
they were looking at me like, ‘you are…’ The girls are probably thinking, ‘Umm,
now’ but the guys, they saw older Colonel, Chiefs of Staff here. Wife. It was bad
from the perspective of me being a wife witnessing this being ordered to, to
shut up.

EH: Huh.

KG: So  I took the camera when he wanted to grab it from me. And I went like
this [gestures moving the camera away]. I mean it was real battle time. Major,
my brother was a championship wrestler, you know. And I don't know anything
about holds but I knew this is self-preservation time. And I just said, ‘Well, I'm
going to the ladies room. Ha!’ So I went to the ladies room and I hid the darn
thing. And he wanted to know where it was. We had major battle but the end
thing that happened was I wrote a nice letter, found out the name of the
manager of the club because I knew protocol. I knew you can’t go and just really
mess everybody up. And I sent a letter saying, ‘Is this normal?’ To have it, to the
club manager. But I sent copies of the pictures and the letter to the wife of the
General of the Commander of the base and the wife of the commodore.

EH: You wanted to get in trouble!

 
KG: With the pictures. No, I mean…

EH: Oh, you thought you were…

KG: Helping the wives.

EH: Yeah, the wives at this point are privy to all of this stuff, right?

KG: Yeah. See, I thought in the real world this is what you do. Somebody… But
what happened was I went home and the wives were meeting there and I told
him what I had done and Caroline Miller said, ‘Oh! No, you didn’t do that, did
you? George won’t get promoted.’ You know he was trying to make General.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: But Louis Buehl had already died and he wouldn't have made general
anyway. Because of Sue had already found out about that. But I didn’t know that
at the time.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: But Charlotte Moore whose family are better educated and she's kind of the
leader of the pack because she's, she's more rational than the rest of wives. She
said, ‘Kay, thank you very much. We appreciate what you did, for us.’ And then
all the rest of them kind ache… you know, they're like little puppets too. But
then I found out from Brooks West that I was, that I was flagged. That General
Gray had me marked as a trouble maker.

EH: Got ya.

KG: So after that no more stories while he's drinking, you know, it was a, it was
a very, he was having to balance them and me. You know, he was… I think he
was challenged by me because he, you know, he knew that I was a free spirit he
didn't understand Christ he didn't understand what, what my boundaries are.
But, because he was a little bit intimidated by my, my sense of freedom and my,
you know, openness. Which comes from a complete understanding of where
Christ is in my life, you know. And I do, I follow in his footsteps and… but I
know I'm a free spirit because I'm created independently, as we all are. And he
never had, my husband never had my husband never had that ability to,

to be free from the time he was a teenager.

EH: Because early on he was made captive to these other…

KG: Yes.

EH: Matters. Homosexual encounters and the shame that that brings in the
control so use of the bent twig early on.

 
KG: And he had, the Saudis were beginning to pile into Russell House at the Hun
School in Princeton, which is the school that my husband was, was in for four
years on scholarship. He never saw his parents in eight years. Now think about
this his parents were shipped to California. I believe strategically so that they
could control his mind.

EH: Okay.

KG: He was too poor to fly out there I think he did go one time when he was
ROTC [Reserve Officers' Training Corps] on a flight that took him forever and a
day to get out there. But he had an uncle later on who bought a house in
Princeton, when he was in college so he had a little bit of, of nurturing. And this
article became his father.

EH: Okay.

KG: And his uncles two sons and the next door neighbour, the next-door
neighbour became his wife. He knew he had to marry because of what he had
gone through and it was, I think so shameful and so hard on him, that he
married right at graduation day practically from Princeton University. Where he
spent four years in ROTC. And he was in the Cap and Gown club, which, as I
mentioned before, is an intelligence sort of football kind of scholarship club. But
what's interesting is my uncle, who is in intelligence, Dan Delaney went through
exactly the same hoops. I was thinking, you know, when I met my husband, this
is, and it probably was a guiding in many ways, but I thought, ‘isn't it amazing
that Uncle Dan, who was the football quarterback star for Princeton, the one
year they won the whole national thing. He was, he went to the Hun School. His
father and mother were both killed or something happened to them, and I think
they were fairly well-to-do prominent family. He was handsome, wonderful, just
a neat man. So he went on a scholarship to the Hun. And then, and he went  in
with crew and all these other things. He was in Cap and Gown. He was, he
played on the football team. He wasn’t a cheerleader my husband was a
cheerleader but they were in exactly, they were exactly the same pattern. ROTC
scholarship. They went, left ROTC scholarship. They were depending on the
government, on the intelligence community, you know, selling weapons to
whatever country. I know the country but in other words they were doing
worked for the joint, under the table, all these years.

EH: Okay Directly  under whose instructions to sell these weapons? Do you know
that?

KG: Yeah.

EH: Okay, who would that be?

KG: Well, er, it’s an Israeli, Zionist group in New York.

EH: MOSAD?

KG: Well…

EH: What were they…

 
KG: Yeah, but everybody thinks MOSAD like they think CIA is just a bogus sort
of thing. It’s really Army Intelligence. It does just about everything. They run
this, they run a lot of the psychological profiling which is done it Quantico with
the FBI it's, it’s all a very small group. Harvard professors connected with, you
know, the… Tavistock and Dar es Salaam and there’s a sexual perversion group
in Vienna and one in Colorado. I think that little girl was part of that experiment,
you know who that is?

EH:  JonBenét Ramsey?

KG: Yeah, yeah, because I had some…

EH: Well you know that raises an interesting point because here's a high-profile
murder that goes nowhere. No investigation. Nobody’s pinned. It just goes on
and on and on.

KG: The parents are involved in that program.

EH: But somewhere in that is protecting them.

KG: Absolutely.

EH: And the same thing that you're describing about the military if you’re in the
clique you can get away with murder.
 

KG: Sure, absolutely. Absolutely. Murder, literally murder.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: And, I had a group of visitors… I used to be set up by the state department,
my husband, who had power in the state department, through both Caspar
Weinberger [Caspar Willard "Cap" Weinberger] and… well, his whole crowd, that,
I mean Caspar Weinberger, George Bush, Colby, Casey… my husband was in
that clique. He was in the Princeton; Marine Corps clique. Rob Warner [Mark
Robert Warner], you know…

EH: You’re talking about Senator Rob?

KG: Yeah, they were all in the Maine Corps clique. Pat Robertson [Marion Gordon
"Pat" Robertson], all fourth Marines and mean they're all involved in this. They're
know, if they’re running everything…

EH: Now you mention Pat Robertson, you’re talking about the seven hundred
club, Pat Robertson?

KG: Uh-huh. Yeah. There’s a power thing there and it's all-male, it’s all white
and there, they do… they know the murders are going on. They’re surgical,
they’re strategic, they’re political but what I was going to tell you is I was used
because I was most gullible in high school and I’m very, very spiritual and I love
people so… and I was driven to meet all these people from all of the world for
some reason. So they would feed me people because they knew I would react.
It’s kind of like Monica and Bill, I think they put Monica in there to have
something on Bill. That's my own felling. Sarah McClendon feels the same way.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: Because…

EH: and Linda Tripp was there to guide the situation?

KG: Absolutely, of course. Linda Tripp was Delta Force. Linda Tripp was trained
by Carl Stiner, who’s in the diary with my husband. Carl Stiner is called a snake
and he tried to trip up Schwarzkopf. I mean, he was trying to take to, take the
whole Iraqi thing over because they had been baiting, you know, using their, the
Israeli rouges in Turkey. They were having a little zigzag wars… It's all to sell
weapons. It’s all about weapon sales, it's all about drugs, it's all about funny
money.

EH: Making money?

KG: Of course. And the head, Krulak, who is the commodore of the Marine
Corps, his father, Victor Krulak, worked with this Russian/Czechoslovakian
double agent who was, worked with Al Gray, who is enlisted at that time, rose
right up to the top because they were involved with [Bucharr?] and this whole
crowd that was trying pick fights. And they were not, they were Army and Navy
together. Joint. And George kept saying, George calls them ‘the members of the
firm.’  He calls them ‘the members of the firm’ I’ve heard the brotherhood.
They’re very close. It's a small group and it's very hierarchical. I had Caspar
Weinberger's bodyguard ‘farm’ me when I was at Sarah McClendon’s.

EH: Now ‘farm’ you?

KG: Yes, that’s a term that they use the where the…

EH: Where they cultivate?

KG: They cultivate… well, not cultivate but just want to find out, kind of…
They're doing profiling on me, women are hard to profile because we're very
easy, weak. We very easy if you understand women and I think they need more
women intelligence because we solve a lot of these problems like
overpopulation, or whatever it is, very quickly. Because we’re the ones you teach
the men and how to talk, how to communicate, we think on twenty levels at
once, you know, we're very spiritual, we’re very practical all at the same time
and they make mistakes by pegging women as crazy when really there very
anxious to solve problems, they're just very frustrated to see a lot of wacko
things going on that don't need to be going on but the guys don't see it. So with
my husband, and so forth, I was used, they profiled me, they knew I loved
international people, because I had already demonstrated that, and there was a
group of sexual psychologist, psychiatrist in Vienna who came over. I have
pictures of them. I was their escort. George was already gone and I was
intrigued that they were still sending me people.

EH: Okay, now you refer them as sexual psychologist.

 
KG: Yeah, there’s a whole  range of psychiatrist who study perversion.

EH: Okay.

KG: Sexual perversion. Harvard, Yale Johns Hopkins and this Colorado group.
Dar es Salaam, where they train the Africa, the black African terrorists. They
train them in interrogation. They train the JAGs in interrogation  methods and so
forth and a lot of these guys got their experience the in Vietnam. Intentionally it
took these little boys, that's what they're doing in Bosnia right now. They’re
training future leaders in perversion. They have the school, the British have a
school that George was working with in Indonesia for a year. My husband was
setting up a, there was already a program on East Timor, a little place there in
the mountains, that had been set by the Australians during world war two. It
was involved, I think, with Burma and some of the killings that we're going on in
China and so forth that Parker Host, T. Parker Host [Thomas Parker Host, Sr, this
man who now control my husband with Bob Edwards [Robert Edwards]. T. Parker
Host… this is how they got together. T. Parker Host, I knew when I was the
assistant director of the Virginia Center for World Trade. I was first woman on
the board at the Foreign Commerce Club, I was very involved, politically, and I
was having a ball. And I met T. Parker Host through someone else. I was the
chairman of board of all these international shippers and brokers I was just a,
you know, sort of a glorified secretary/public relations person. Now T. Parker
Host was the Finish Consul and he… at one time he’d been the Norwegian
Consul, the Icelandic Consul. Ii thought he was a really nice guy because he was
outgoing, he's seen as a Virginian. I didn't know that much about him. But it
turns out he has one shipping agency, when I mean in a [five?]. He knows my
husband's profession instantly because he brags about being with the mobs, the
mob runs the port of Norfolk. The, I mean… it's terrible to say the bankers and
then that, then they have, this is not… I can’t say that.

EH: You can’t say what?

 
KG: Nahh, it's… the ports are run by, it’s a homosexual hierarchy.

EH: Okay, it makes sense. That’s without objection.

KG: Well, Okay. And in Norfolk its Walter [Crise?] and Phil [Hornfall?], you know,
they have the rich ones then they get the little ones in my introducing into that
to the big guys. It's like, George met Einstein. Einstein was in that little, that
little ring that the Saudis were in. It was a very elite, Camus…

EH: Now you’re saying Einstein?

KG: Albert Einstein…

EH: Okay.

KG: …was in that little Princeton ring before he died. George… they partied
together. Anyway, so the Norfolk crowd runs the port. It's very organized and so
forth. And I knew the person who was running the Maritime association
shipping agency, very nice man who was that way but I didn't know it, you
know. I went out with him I’d like him very much and he's a very nice person
but, you know, and I…

EH: And completely homosexual?

 
KG: Completely. But, but he'd liked me and I thought he was wonderful…

EH: Many homosexuals are very engaging people.

KG: Yes, he’s a very, very nice guy. Well, his best friend was T. Parker Host. He
lived with him for a while. Well, I didn’t think anything about Parker 'cause you
know he'd been married and had a couple of sons and I thought, ‘Well, you
know, this is just a guy moved away from [Newport?] news for some reason and
settled in Norfolk. I thought it was unusual he didn’t have any friends, you
know, I didn’t know and… but, it wasn't because of that it was because Parker
had some questionable associations with mob figures, with assassins, he was in
Burma, special operations command. He liked being, living a dangerous life and
he bragged about to others. My husband and he gravitated to one another and I
thought it was wonderful because my husband didn't seem to have any friends.
So I sort of fixed him up with Parker. Well, Parkers the one who did me in, you
know. Parker plotted and it's a long story but basically, and this sounds petty
but I wouldn't go out with him. And, and I’m not saying I did anything that
was… it’s just that he was in my type.

EH: Uh-huh, obviously.

KG: You know, well, I mean not… he’s just, he’s boorish, he’s loud, he’s kind of
rude…

EH: So you’re saying, just in a social context…

 
KG: Yeah. So what happened was, because my husband so close to Bush and
McFarlane and Scowcroft, all these guys Parker starts getting in with my
husband's friends and cultivating them. And he goes from having one shipping
agency to dotted all over the place. He goes from being a democrat in petty
little Virginia politics and being the Icelandic/Finish Consul; to having big
shipping deals going through Iceland and Finland… and Norway and my
husband setting up deals in Los Norway which I was the president of the Sister
Cities Association. I was being used while my husband, while they were setting
up, you know, shipment places, trans shipment places. I mean, I was witnessing
all of this and all came back to meet, jut boom, like that. But Parker… it was so
interesting. We had a hearing, I had a hearing with my husband. That very day
George Bush was in town. My husband was in town. My home was broken in to,
while I was in court. Very strategically I was called by a Marine Colonel, named
Jack who is very involved with the maritime shipping business and he knew that
I know a lot about that. He called me and invited me as a guest of his to attend
the George Bush… huge banquet with John Warner while my house is being
robbed. My car was sabotaged that day. And guess who introduced George
Bush? T. Parker Host. Now he made it to the big time.

EH: You know Alexander Haig is… you can help yourself to the coffee.

KG: Thank you. Yeah, he’s a friend of…

EH: Alexander Haig, he rose from nothing to top dog just overnight that's ‘cause
he's in the club.

KG: Oh, of course. He’s in the club. Now how he's in the club, you see…

EH: Now all these guys…

 

KG: Henry Kissinger, Heinz Kissinger… Oh, I have a story, this…

EH: Oh, we all suspect Henry’s a queer but…

KG: Oh, well I have first, I have a firsthand story from Bob who was a bear in
Cambodia with Heinz.

EH: Oka… you call him Heinz.

KG: [nodding] Henry.

EH: Okay.

KG: His real name is Heinz Kissinger.

EH: Okay. [looks over her shoulder]

 
EH: We’ll straighten that out. [off camera] We had a light that fell down boys. Did
you notice that? We got to be alert to notice all these little things. And that’s
very hot by the way.

KG: See Haig, Haig was an Army…

EH: Just, just a second… let’s get this straight just here. That is a hot light and
you'll burn your fingers in the attachment and by the way as long as we’re on an
unofficial break here did you happen to read my note as I was writing it?

OC: I could see just part of it.

EH: When I was writing it or only when I held it up?

OC: When you held it up for a [unintelligible]

EH: Okay.

OC: I made that adjustment.

EH: Okay, while I was starting to write, I wrote, ‘widen her a bit.’ And I looked
up, well; lo-and-behold he’s done it. So I thought, ‘Well maybe he can read this
over my shoulder, that’s cool.’ And…
 

OC: No, I need that…

KG: Oh, you saw it and interpreted…

OC: I seen you…

EH: You can read it from here?

OC: Yeah.

KG: Oh, that’s cute… oh this is, oh y’all are wonderful. What a team!

OC: [laughing]

KG: What a team you are.

OC: That’s the only thing I could see was that.

EH: And, and you… you… thank you. Okay.

 

OC: Actually all you gotta do if you write it and tip it up a little bit I’ll…

EH: Okay. ‘Cause the thing of it when she’s illustrating something using her
hands well then [click] cease on that and open up so we don’t lose the lower
part of her hands. Not far enough down to where, you know, strategically we,
we get out of focus but just… it’s cool. Alright, we’re back and this is good.
Let's go back to… see we want to talk about Henry Kissinger but also would, I
introduced the idea about George Bush.

KG: Yeah.

EH: Three, two, one. Now, so George Bush, I mean, all these people who rise up
through the ranks are in the same club. No wonder, you know, I saw a little TV
clip one time where a reporter was asking George Bush and others about the
Order of the Skull and Bones. All these guys we're shocked that somebody
mentioned the term and they, they just would not discuss it all.

KG: Right.

EH: And the reporter said, ‘I understand that as part of the oath you don’t
discuss it?’ And George jus’ flat out said ‘It's just not to be discussed.’ and that
was in the subject. Now that’s because… I mean if this really got out that these
guys are all inducted because they’ve got some sort of homosexual…

KG:  Right.
 

EH: …thing on them.

KG: Indoctrination, I mean, or induction. They have to do that.

EH: Yeah.

KG:  They do that. Uh-huh.

EH: Even if…

KG: In a coffin and it’s even now coming in to the military totally. The Chiefs do
that, they put them in the coffin, they do the bowling ball trick…

EH: Okay, you’re going to have to explain this. What happens when you get the
coffin, why do you get in a coffin?

KG: Oh. They get… When you get your eagles [points to shoulders], that’s a
German thing, you know. It’s what the German high did and most of them had
the boyfriends and stuff. The Krupps and all that. It is a German thing that they
say goes back to Greece and it's all the male Marine looking men that they do it
with, you see.

 
EH: Uh-huh.

KG: So, now the Chiefs have to do that. What they do is, they get… George said
it's like a zoo. They get everybody really drunk and they sometimes call it
‘Dining in’ or ‘Shellback’ is another time is another time that they do it. Not
everybody does it but the ones who do it, if they're young, they, they get right
to the top. It’s a…

EH: Okay, well what actually do they do? They've got a coffin they get in…

KG: Anal sex. Oh, oh that. They do, they put them in the coffin and they do
things.

EH: Okay, they perform things?

KG: Yeah.

EH: On each other?

KG: Yeah, while they’re all around there, going drunk.

EH: I see. So there’s a guy in the coffin?

 

KG: Yeah and he’s the one who is…

EH: The recipient of all the acts, right?

KG: Right, right.

EH: Probably safe to conclude that these are oral sex acts on this guy or
something like that?

KG: Yeah.

EH: Okay.

KG: Yeah. Oral and anal. Whatever.

EH: Yeah.

KG: But…

 
EH: What’s the significance of the coffin?

KG: I don’t know. But…

EH: It’s the mystic about the Skull and Bones…

KG: But what is interesting is the… now the young SEALs, Delta Force, the ones
who go from Army to BUD/S [Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL]; the BUD/S
training SEALs all…

EH: BUD/S?

KG: BUD/S is the emerging SEAL group.

EH: Oh, I see. The budding SEALs.

KG: [nodding] Budding SEALs.

EH: I see.

 
KG: And they have to break into houses. Their training exercise is to break into
civilians houses.

EH: For practice?

KG: For practice. They broke into my house when, when… George and I were
first married… I had many, many, many underwear… this is terrible to say,
lingerie. I had lots of, you know. I didn't buy much but it all disappeared. And
then when the psyching was beginning…

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: I had white blouses that they would all have black dots on them. I’d say,
‘George, here's another blouse with a black dot.’

EH: And it was just a little message?

KG:  Somebody's message, you know. Or I would… after George left it was
batteries in a drawer. You know, you can’t tell the police, ‘I opened up a draw of
where I had six batteries and now I’ve got fifty batteries!’ ‘Well of course you're
crazy.’ You know. And I started my little [saw?] with a screwdriver and, you
know, I was always looking around for screwdrivers. Well, one day I come home
and they're about twelve screwdrivers on the table. You know,  neatly placed.
Well, you can’t call the police and say, ‘I’ve got twelve screwdrivers’, you know.
You can’t tell people that you've got black dots on all, on all your white blouses.

 
EH: [laughing]

KG: You know you shoes are disappearing an then, this is, this is really… I call
the police the first break in, which was the night March the fourth. The night
before I went to see General Joy at the Mariette.

EH: Yeah.

KG: Well, I had already called the police when I was battered because I, I was just
bruises. I made O.J’s [O.J. Simpson] wife look like Marylyn Monroe. I mean, you
talk about… and I was doing this because I thought it would help him… you
know, have forty fives but to my head and he’s laughing, strangle me into his
finger on the jugular vein and he just say, ‘Now don’t you dare move.’ You
know, or I’d be lying in bed he’d do a jab or he’d just push me off the bed. You
can’t believe what horror I went through to try and get this man to understand
what Christ’s love is about, you know. People say, ‘Oh, well you should have
left…’ well, I took my marriage vows seriously, I knew he was injured
psychologically by the war, by whatever he was made to do. So, I mean, I’m fine,
I just sacrificed a lot. I was in a big wrestling match with a crazy guy, you know.
But I still love the little boy within, he's very troubled. But anyway, I call the
police after a number of little break-ins and guess what? The police man they
sent was a little short guy, with the short hair cut, whose name was Shorty
Saderwhite.

EH: Okay.

KG: And Shorty Saderwhite was saying, ‘Oh now, Miss Griggs, now you’re just
making this up. Now you know Miss Griggs… this is just, you’re just
traumatised. Your husband’s gone. Blah, blah, blah.’ I found out he was a
twenty year Marine.

EH: Uh-huh. Okay.

KG: And not only that but some other, there's another part of his life… but
that’s okay. I mean, he’s a nice guy. But he was a Marine.

EH: And he takes orders.

KG: Of course he does. He’s still reserve. So, I think, ‘Okay, I’ll call the FBI.’ I’ll
let them know what’s going on. I heard about the FISA court and that they'd, you
know, because I’m talking about William Colby maybe they think I'm a threat
because I know all these international people. So I’m just gonna call them and
tell them what’s going on. So I called Torrance, who’s the head of the FBI and
he’s too busy, you know, too busy. So he sends this guy Dan McNally and Dan
McNally is a very nice guy and he has this girl interview me and I type out
something about George's history and what I know. Guess who else is a twenty-
year marine? Dan McNally.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: And it just so happens that Dan McNally best friend, and he's not married
either, but that's alright. His best friend, who is from North Carolina and never
married, is the best friend of Fred [Hence/Hens/Heinz?] who the one who took
me to this place, [mahé mas?] where O had the two death threats. Who was
graduated from college in fifty nine, he was intelligence, his father was a
German high… part of the Kizer’s elite group.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: He was NATO, Colonel, which I thought was pretty neat and that's why they
knew the profile - Kay likes NATO people 'cause she's going to learn a little bit
about another culture, you know. And his, I’m not saying it because his, you
know, his family were high command but he was also an existentialist. And…

EH: Okay, for our views that may not know the term ‘existentialist’ you mean?

KG: An existentialist, according to my husband, which he is one, Fred Hans, all

of these people are existentialists. They believe doing whatever it takes. It
doesn't matter what the law says. They will do anything necessary to get what
they want politically…

EH: Okay.

KG: …and economically and whatever. In other words, killing a leader, killing
five people, killing twenty people, according to George is a lot better than war.
This is way they rationalise it. They… you didn't used to kill women and children
in war when, when the British Army, they were pure, kinda… you know, you
didn't go out and kill… I think Dresden they, they did do some of that. But that
was, that was Walt Whitman Rostow and his crowd. And he's a very dangerous
man because Walt Whitman Rostow is a communist.
 

EH: Okay, in what capacity is he?

KG: Oh, he was one of the wise men in Kennedy’s administration. I think he was
probably responsible for the movement that got Kennedy murdered. I believe it
was an Israeli group which did it with some of these rouges.

EH: Okay, when you mentioned wise men, is this an insider term?

KG: Wise man, yeah. Kennedy’s wise men were guys like, you know, the Harvard
crowd and he was trying to bring them in to change things around a lot.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: Walt Whitman Rostow was the one who got us into the Vietnam War because
he wanted to sell the weapon and stuff. He was… he and Victor Krulak, who is
the present commandant father, Krulak was his lackey. Walt Whitman Rostow’s
lackey. Walt Whitman Rostow went with Taylor, General Taylor [General Maxwell
Taylor] and wrote the report that got us into the Vietnam War and all the time
that the Pentagon was saying, ‘No, no, no, no’ he was a cheerleader for the
weapon sales, he Henry Kissinger – Heinz.

EH: Uh-huh.

 
KG: He and Henry, Walt Whitman Rostow, Eugene Debs Rostow [Eugene Victor
Debs Rostow], these were communists, named for communist. Eugene Debs
Rostow and, it’s either his son or his other brother, runs the big Boston mob,
the port there. His name is Nicholas Rostow [Charles Nicholas Rostow] with the
Weld. You know with William Weld? They’ve done all that drug business in
Mexico for years. They had that Russian, you know, the one who was murdered
by the... assassin Ramón [Ramón Mercader] you know, he was a competitor,
Stalin’s competitor and he escaped. Very famous… Trotsky [Leon Trotsky].

EH: Okay, uh-huh.

KG: Leon Trotsky became a Christian at the end. And you can't become a
Christian. That’s a death warrant. So they, they killed Trotsky because he was
becoming too, I think, now I don't… maybe I don't know the whole story.
There’s probably a lot more to it and I just… maybe I see completely the wrong
picture there but Trotsky was murdered by this same, per region,
Spanish/Czechoslovakian/Georgian/Russian group which are all part of the
former [abware?]

EH: Okay.

OC: We’ve got to stop. Tolstory [KG had been referring to Leon Trotsky as Leo
Tolstoy] is not the correct name, I know who you’re talking about, I can’t think
of who… Tolstory is a writer.

KG: A what?

 
OC: A writer, a Russian writer. The guy you’re thinking of was murdered in
Mexico.

KG: Yeah.

OC: [It’s] not Tolstory.

EH: Okay, what was his name?

OC: [unintelligible]… Jewish boy.

EH: Good, it’s a good point to bring it up because if we can correct that name…
and don’t go that wide. A lot of time we’re going wide and I told not going
anywhere near that wide because we get all this junk over here and we don’t
want in the picture.

KG: Are you sure it doesn't it wasn’t Tolstory?

EH: [off camera] That is plenty for…

KG: I thought it was.

 
EH: That is plenty.

OC: He’s a writer.

KG: I know he’s a writer.

OC: [to PS] Sorry about that.

KG: I know.

EH: It’s Okay, you’re learning.

OC: [to KG] This guy was the right hand man of… of… William and he defected
and went to Mexico. He went to Mexico and they murdered him.

KG: I think it was Tolstory.

EH: It could be two Tolstorys?

OC: No, Tolstory was a very famous…

 

EH: You’re not thinking of Trotsky?

KG: Oh, yes! You’re right. Ay!

[everyone laughs]

KG: Ay, got it, got it. Let’s correct that. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Bravo!

OC: [to PS] [unintelligible but probably a reference to amount of time left on
film]

EH: We’re getting close.

KG: [to OC] Close.

OC: You were, you were doing so well and I thought, ‘We can’t use this because
it’s the wrong name and it’s going to disrupt the whole story.’ I’m sorry about
that.

KG: Good, good.

 

EH: Okay.

KG: Trotsky.

EH: Let’s back up, okay. We have five minutes to go? Okay, we can easily do
that. That is on this tape.

OC: I’ll tell you what [unintelligible]…

EH: We have more time that this but on this tape…

OC: …but on the next tape but in next five minutes tell us what max
[unintelligible] because you mentioned it earlier…

KG: Okay.

OC: …I still don’t know what it means.

EH: But let’s get Trotsky in this piece right now while were thinking about this,
okay? So, let’s pick this up with… [starts hand signalling count down 5, 4, 3, 2,
1]… you were saying, about… we were talking about the wise men, about the
Rostows and…

KG: William Weld and Mexico and the involvement of the Mexican government
and it’s not Tolstory it’s Trotsky.

EH: Okay, hold on a sec.  It won’t even be necessary to mention that will be
completely clipped and edited so just go ahead and tell the whole story but use
the name Trotsky.

KG: Alright.

EH: Okay, so go ahead. [hand signals countdown] Go ahead.

KG: This group, which is run, which was run out of Paris, is still being run out of
Paris, revolutionary, terrorist group, which is controlling these Marines and
Army… Steiner’s group, they all operate together. The man who started all this
program during Vietnam communists, who were in the Spanish communist
movement. They actually promoted communists in the OSS [Office of Strategic
Services], which was started by this William… anyway, Donovan [William J.
Donovan].

EH: Okay.

 
KG: So they said they were promoting and using communists who work actually
wanting to get rid of our form of government as a stepping stone to world
domination. So this group, now, in the Army, in the Marine Corps has
communists at the very top, who are really, you know, existentialist - which
means they, they don't believe in god, they don't believe in Christ, they live for
the moment, they believe in sort of, one world which has no religions in it.

EH: Right.

KG: They're the ones who put Napoleon in power, they're the ones who put
Oliver Cromwell in power, they're the ones, probably, who actually got… were
behind the Roman Empire and maybe the Egyptian Empire. They put puppet
people in power and they actually run it from behind the scenes.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: Now, Trotsky, as I understand it was… escaped from Russia. He had become
a Christian, I understand and was working with agents in the United States…
Israel. And he was considered a threat so he had to be silence, killed. There's an
excellent book which I have called, ‘The Mind of an Assassin’ [Isaac Don Levine]
which is about the background of Trotsky’s assassin. A man, a young man
named Ramón, who was trained, he was Soviet paid, I think he had experience
in Spain, they organised it in Paris, I believe and, of course, up to the present
time there had been assassins operating out of Rome, Milan in particular,
Naples and Paris. And these are all anarchists, all mob related, use mob funding.

EH: Uh-huh.

 
KG: And, of course, drug money to pay for the weapons, which are brand new
weapons. This, the Bosnia bizarre this is the reason we had the war in Bosnia.
The war in Bosnia is simply a stage to train assassins, to be a market for brand
new weapons, to be a market place so the drug money can be used and the
Army runs the whole show. It's, it's totally run by the army. The CIA is a bogus
thing, you know, it's, it's training in doctoring command. It’s NATO. It’s SHAPE
-Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe - Started by Eisenhower [President
Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower]. It’s a totally independent corporation. Its main
function is to sell weapons and laundered money.

EH: You’re talking about the CIA?

KG: No, [I’m] talking about SHAPE.

EH: SHAPE?

KG: CIA is kinda bogus. I mean it’s a…

EH: That’s just a trade name for the media to use?

KG: Oh, it’s to confuse us just to get us off the track.

EH: Uh-huh.

 
KG: It’s all being done by Army people who are, now joint, ‘cause word joint
comes from the group that brought over a lot... and a lot of good people came
over but they came out over illegally from, to kind of escape Nazi Germany and
stuff, I don't know that much about it, but I do know that the funding
organisation, one of the funding organisations was out of New York and it was
called ‘The Joint’. And Meyer Lansky [Meyer Suchowljansky]… see, our mob, the
organized crime, the Jewish kabalalist group, who don't believe in god really,
well they do, they look at god as a kabalalic like kind of thing, the opposite of
good is bad and they had to get rid of all that, all the good people and kill them
and then, you know, I mean they really do this. They’re killing people, who are
good, on purpose and they get brownie points with their little cult. But this
funding group in New York they would pay for passports, which were illegal, in
fact Grandfather was involved with that, that's how I know so much about it
because my Grandfather was told to keep silent and not to tell anybody but of
course he told my Grandmother and my Grandmother told me and I’ve told my
children. Everybody knows that they brought in, probably, more than two
hundred thousand Nazi soldiers and SS [Schutzstaffel - Protection Squadron]
and, you know, whackos scientists and psychologists and, and all of the, most
of them had the German disease. You know, because it was their culture.

EH: The German disease?

KG: Yeah, the German disease is what the pink triangle boys were. Colonel Rob
Ray [Colonel Charles Rob Ray] writes about this. He’s a Marine Colonel who's a
Christian who's writing about the ‘Cherry Marines’ a homosexuality in the group
sex orgies and so forth, which brought down the German government because
Naples, which is where all of the Navy is doing they're playing. I mean today, in
Naples, these orgies are going on it was where Krupp, the weapons
manufacturer, used to take the German High Command and they would go into,
on the allied Capri into the Blue Grotto and they would have big orchestras and
they bring in a little boys, little Italian boys, who would be raped. They’d give
them trinkets and, of course, the mother's gradually found out and just like me
it was one thing when there was just one of me, now there are a lot more of us
wives who we're talking and telling truth. And it took those Italian, those Italian
women went to newspapers in Italy; they wouldn't listen. But when they went to
the wives of these guys, in Germany, it brought it all out. It brought the German
government down because they were duplicitous in it, you know. But what they
were doing was paedophilia; they were raping bringing in little boys. They
involve the catholic priests, you know, who were bringing it all, anyways. So, but
what happened was this whole group came over to the United States and they…
it's a, it's an old culture. But it is the reason there are a lot of things going on
with children these days.

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: And explains why it's all being covered up because if you've got police
officers who were playing these games and you're going in the words like, what
is this place they where… I mean, even Eisenhower play these games even, Mike
Kemp out in, it's called the Hermitage [Bohemian Grove].

EH: The hermitage.

KG: In California, where they all run it to get drunk and they run around nude in
the words and stuff.

EH: Bohemian Grove?

KG: That’s it, Bohemian Grove.

EH: Rather than Hermitage it Bohemian Grove?

 

KG: [nodding] Bohemian Grove, that’s the name of it. My brain’s tired [laughing]

EH: That’s okay.

KG: And the one in, there was one in, a big one in Washington, called Rush River
Lodge, where they used to all go and there are lots of places now. But the
problem, as I see it, is that I think they're trying to destroy America and the
basic protestant Christian culture because where you have a militaristic society,
which is where the rules are only for those people and, keep in mind that Meyer
Lansky and Luciano, Lucky Luciano [Charles "Lucky" Luciano] and the other man,
they chose to go Italy. Luciano went to Milan. He didn’t… he wasn't banished to
Naples and Milan. The two top mob families went there because of the weapons
industry. They're selling weapons. I mean, that's what the military is doing. It's,
it's totally controlled by the mob. Look, look at this: Weinberger was General
Douglas MacArthur’s… he spied on MacArthur in Korea. Who is MacArthur’s
nemesis, albatross? It was none other than little old intelligence ‘I’m going to
tell every move you make’ Weinberger. Young, but he did it he brought down
MacArthur every move MacArthur was going to make he’d broadcast it through
the chaplain, his little intelligence network. And he got brownie points with the
group because he brought down the big lion. When you get rid of a big lion like
that you get, you get a big job. You’ve done, you’ve done good work. And they
needed to get rid of MacArthur because he didn't, he didn’t want to keep the
wars going. He wanted it over and, you know, it's like General Truffey, who took
over after the Vietnam War was over and he was on C-SPAN [Cable-Satellite
Public Affairs Network] in August of ninety six with former ambassador
Whitehead [Robert E. Whitehead] and a few of the other, you know, State
Department, Vietnam people. And General Truffey he was, he had been holding
this in for years.

EH: Uh-huh.
 

KG: He was on C-SPAN. This man let it all out. He said, ‘I took over at the end of
the Vietnam War. I was in control’, right. Big general. ‘So I say cut off the
shipment of weapons. So I tell the pentagon cut off the shipment of weapons.’
He said, ‘I got a phone call from Henry Kissinger. Saying the weapons are gonna
continue at the wartime rate.’

EH: Sure.

KG: Now, that's when all this stuff in China started, well, it was started before
then because already the communist agents the New York, Brooklyn, New Jersey
mob were are already training Mao. Mao [Mao Zedong] was trained in Paris. So
was, you know, the one Cambodia, what’s his name? I can't think of his name.
The one who was… Pol Pot [Saloth Sar]. They were homosexual, bless their little
hearts, by priests. They were wonderful little boys sent there, you know, turned,
which is the word, you know, when they believe their mothers and then all of a
sudden the world's horrible and they had these wonderful friends who are going
to make them leaders. They’re turned, psychologically and it's a pattern and so,
this is why it's so important to know what they are doing to innocent little boys
in the Army and the Marine Corps today. Why? Why are they having them go
together in groups and, and stripped nude when they’re brand new inductees?

EH: Uh-huh.

KG: Why did they do certain things in public, in front of the group?

EH: And they even do that at the, in the pre-induction visit?

 

KG: Yes. And they also have the doctors…

EH: That’s why I didn’t want to go in the Army. I knew there was something up.

[laughing]

KG: But they also turned around the other way after doing that. The other way
and then their upside down and they do this [points finger] anally. Now, why do
they do that in public? Why the urinals all out in public? You know, without
separate stalls if they're not promoting this and then why is it that the ones who
are this way rise up faster than the ones who don't?

EH: Because of someone there noticing…

KG: Yeah, sure.

EH: …those who are…

KG: Vulnerable.

EH: Vulnerable. I was going to say rising but that wouldn’t be quite appropriate.
 

KG: They’re called rising stars.

EH: Rising stars.

KG:  That’s the word the State Department uses for those who are controlled
and when I was volunteering with the State Department as escort, in Virginia, I
had this group called, I thought it up myself, VIVA, Virginia International Visitors
Association. And I tried so hard to get to be a part of the State Department
family. But, you know, I'm a Christian, you see. I’m a protestant Christian and
they don't want Christians in there. My goodness! You know, I would have
guests and, and I would let them know I was Christian and I love them and
Virginia is a wonderful place.

EH: Yeah.

KG: But we, I couldn't be apart at that. They sent me people but… you know, I
never was a part of it. Even though I had lots and lots dignitaries.

EH: Did you ever have any contact with Madeline Albright?

KG: No, I lived with Sarah McClendon for about six months.

EH: Uh-huh.
 

KG: Sarah is a democrat. See, I was republican all these years .I was married for
twenty one years to a democratic governors grandson. It was an arranged
marriage and so I knew a lot of the high level democrats who were really sort of
conservative it’s hard, you know, in Virginia they're very conservative. So when I
stayed with Sarah McClendon I had become a republican and Sarah told me allot
of the things that were going on in the white house. From her insider
perspective which totally challenged my perspective on everything. You know,
Ron Brown [Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown] was murdered, for example.

EH: Sure.

KG: Vince Foster [Vincent Walker "Vince" Foster, Jr.] was murdered. Forestal
[James Forrestal] was murdered.

EH: Tell you what we’re gonna break right here ‘cause we’re just about out of
tape, I think on this end here.

KG: Okay.

EH:  This will be a good place to pick up though. Ron Brown, Vince Foster, I
think Foster had a Marine Corps background. Is that possible?

KG: I think so. He may have. I bet he did. That would fit right in. Oh, yes. Oh,
yes. That would fit right in. Because Nussbaum’s [Bernard W. Nussbaum] office
was right across the hall.
 

EH: [to OC] Okay, we can pop these tapes out actually.

KG: Okay.

EH: We’re a fresh with brand new tapes. [to OC] The number two . Let’s take a
nice long break.

KG: Alright.

t doesn't mean ‘oh my god’ the countdown is here we’re… What we’re gonna do
is we’re just going to record a bunch of stuff here and we can do some more
tomorrow if we forget some today doesn't matter we can put it in if you think of
something in twenty minutes that should have been said right up front it doesn't
matter. KG: Great EH: We simply want to reduce the standard tape so that it
doesn't get lost KG: Yeah, yeah.

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