Max Pog’s Post

LPs in the same VC fund, on the same terms, with the same portfolios can get significantly different returns – for example, 28% IRR vs. 20% IRR. There must be a Family Office, Fund of Funds, or other institutional LP that uses this approach to generate better returns – simply by investing later than other LPs. Let me explain: Recently, one fund caught my attention, and I even considered becoming an LP because: – they’ve already invested in 19 companies (out of 35 planned) since inception 1.5 years ago – many portfolio companies have substantially grown in revenue during these 1.5 years, including one that grew 45x in revenue (to several million ARR) – the GP previously had extraordinary results as a VC, including early investments in future decacorns and unicorns – and they’re still fundraising (for the last 2 months), even after having already invested in 50%+ of their planned deals Even more interesting: if I were to join as an LP now, I would have the same terms that LPs had 1.5 years ago when they started. It’s a different risk profile – you can already see 50% of the portfolio, including potential outliers and their traction — and you get better IRR. With a 6-year fund life cycle (it’s a seed/Series A VC fund) and a 3x expected DPI, if you invest 1.5 years in, you could get ~28% IRR while early LPs might get ~20%. That reminds me of the structural alpha approach – increasing your returns not because of better deals, but because of better terms when investing (lower fees/carry), smarter tax planning, and other structural advantages. (Ronald Diamond, for example, has shared 10+ ways Family Offices can improve returns through structural alpha.) Of course, not all funds will offer late LPs the same terms. Quite often, early LPs receive discounts or better terms – according to a 2023 Paul Weiss study, approximately 38% of PE funds offered early-bird benefits. I couldn’t find equivalent VC data on term differences, but we could expect at least half of the firms to keep the same terms for later LPs. I often hear that when LPs make decisions, they focus on previous performance, fund manager experience, and co-investment opportunities – but I’ve never heard a simple piece of advice that, in my opinion, could generate better returns: invest just before the fund closes. What do you think? Justin Stebbins, Scott Sherman, Chuck Tedeschi, Martin Tobias, Jessica Holsey

Maksim Stayetski

Entrepreneur | Investor | Advisor @payrolling.io &Umowa.io | Co-Founder @Retrievables.com | Partner @ E100 | LP @ mento.vc

1w

I know exactly which fund you are talking about. I am an LP there, but I have my reasons. In my value system returns of VC funds is not satisfactory, but if I am not mistaken and we are talking about the same people, their biggest value is access to the startups. Lots of people have money today, but companies want smart money not just a check. Being part of a fund like that opens up perspective, network and personal growth that you can't quantify in X times returns

Manoj Ranaweera

The man who built Manchester's Tech Startup Ecosystem from 2006 to 2013. 2 Exits. Runs: Techcelerate (trusted tech founder network), Deal Lite (Intelligence) & SkilledUp Life (59,000 volunteers for tech startups)

1w

Max Pog isn't it the same with venture capital (not LPs)? I have seen many times that the same valuation exists even over 12 months. Those who come in late, hopefully have a much lower risk, provided that money already received from initial investors on the same valuation is well used. I've seen the other way as well. So due diligence matters. 😀 Obviously when a downturn occurs, it's at a different risk profile.

Ali Usman

Innovation Superhuman 🚀 | Creator of 7 Startups in 7 Days (World Record) | AI & Digital Transformation Leader | Startup Coach & Fundraising Expert ($250M+ Raised) | Global Business Growth Strategist 🌍⚡

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Great insights, Max Pog. Your point about structural alpha and the potential advantages for later LPs is compelling. It highlights the importance of timing and negotiation in fund investing. I’d be interested to see more data on how many VC funds actually maintain terms for late investors compared to early birds. This could reshape how many approach their investment strategies. Thank you for sharing!

Judy Robinett

Startup Funding Expert | Author of "Crack the Funding Code" | International Speaker | National Media Guest | 𝟓+𝟓𝟎+𝟏𝟎𝟎 #getfundednow #superconnector #networking

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Chris Swanson

Director at TriplePoint Capital

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Thats also assuming you can get access!

MUHAMMAD IBTESAM ASIF

Founder & CEO of Eon Weave Labs & Vaulternity | Innovating with AI, Blockchain & Web3 | Tech Visionary

1w

This perspective is fascinating, investing later with better visibility really does change the risk/reward profile.

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Timothy Ladin

Family Office Expert Generalist - Preserve and grow family wealth by instilling a culture of integrity, compliance and continuous improvement; careful tax planning; and proactive investment management

1w

Most funds do charge interest back to the original funding dates for later entry LPs, but those fees are known and can be trivial compared to the potential upside. As an LP we like to see the period between first close and final close limited to 1 year but will live with 18 months.

Svetlana Olenchuk

AI-Vetted Off-Plan Real Estate in Dubai | Helping Europeans Invest Confidently in the UAE | Real Estate Strategist

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🙂 👏 👏 👏

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