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Asharis Believe Quran Is Created And Ibn Qudamas Refutation

Posted on September 1, 2006. Filed under: 202 - Advanced Asma wa Sifaat |

The Asharis believe that Allahs Speech subsists in His Essence and is without sound or letters,
and therefore, Allah could not have said Alif-Laam-Meem.
The Mutazilah believed that the Quran is Allahs Speech; and Allahs Speech is created.
The Asharis believed that the Quran is not Allahs Speech, so while Allahs Speech is uncreated, the Quran
remains created.

ANS: Ashairah and Maturidiah believe that Quran is of

two types. 1] AL CALAM AN NAFSI. 2] AL CALA, AL
LAFZI. THE FRMER IS UNCREATED ATTRIBUTE RAITHER
ESSENTIAL ATTRIBUTE OF THE DIVINE ESSENCE. THEB
LATTER IS AN ACT OR A DOING OF ALL-H HENCE
CREATED.
al-Bayjuri the Ashari theologian says in his Sharh Jawharat al-Tawheed:
it is still only permitted to say The Quran is emergent (or created) in a classroom setting
Ibn al-Jawzi says in al-Muntadham of al-Ashari:

ANS: This is because people who do not

understand the nature of the problem may not be
misguided.BUT THIS IS HIS PERSONAL VIEW.
NEITHER ALL ASHARITES NOR ALL MATURIDITES
AGREE ON THE ISSUE.
The people never differed that this audible Quran is Allahs Speech, and that Gabriel descended with it
upon the Prophet Allahs peace and blessings be upon him. The reliable imams declared that the Quran is
eternal, while the Mutazila claimed that it is created. Al-Ashari then agreed with the Mutazila that the
Quran is created and said: This is not Allahs Speech. Rather, Allahs Speech is an Attribute subsisting in
Allahs Essence. It did not descend on the Prophet, nor is it audible.

ANS: This is a mixture of incorrect allegations. Quran

whether it be An Nafsi or Al Lafzi both are speeches of
ALL-H. AL CALAM AN NAFSI is audiable either directly as
according to Ashairah or indirectly as according to
Maturidiah.No Ashari and no Maturidi says Quran is not a
Speech of ALL-H. One may ask IBN AL QUDAMAH Do
you believe Quran is separate from ALL-H and
Uncreated?? If so then it ceases to be a Divine Attribute.

Ibn al-Jawzi would often say on the pulpit:

The heretics (the Asharis) claim; i) there is none in the Heavens, ii) neither is there Quran in the Mushaf,
and iii) nor is there a Prophet in the grave; your three shameful facets (al-Dhayl).

ANS:- WHEN THERE ARE AUTHENTIC BOOKE OF ASHIRAH AND MATURIDIYAH

PRESENT ,NO ONE HAS RIGHT TO QUOTE IBN AL JAUZI. WE REJECT THESE FALSE
ALLIGATIONS OF IBN AL JAUZI , THOUGH WE HOPE HE WAS MISTAKEN. HE WAS
UN ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE ASHARITE AND MATURIDITE VIEWS. ASHAIRAH
AND MATURIDIYAH BOTH JOINTLY BELIEVE THAT CALAM AL LAFZI IS IN MUSHAF AND IN THE TABLET. A ALLIGATION THAT PROPHET IS NOT IN THE GRAVE IN
MADINA AL MUNAUVARAH IS FALSE. ONE MUST HAVE CITED SOME AUTHENTIC
ASHARITE AND MATURIDITE SOURCES. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT SUCH
ALLEGATION CAN BE TRUE. MAY ALL-H FORGIVE IBN JAUZI FOR HIS FALSE
ALLEGATION AGAINST ASHAIRAH AND MATURIDIYAH.
NOTE: ONE WHO AGREE WITH IBN QUDAMA MUST HAVE TO SAY ALL-H IS IN
HIS CREATION [SINCE HEAVENS ARE CREATIONS OF ALL-H] OR HE OR HE
MUST HAVE TO SAY HEAVENS ARE UNCREATED [ SINCE ALL-H CANNOT BE IN

HIS CREATIONS]. IF WE HAVE ADOPTED THE STYLE OF IBN AL QUDAMA WE

HAVE ACCUSED HIM OF ANY ONE OF THE ABOVE BELIEF BUT WE PRAY MAY ALLH FORGIVE HIM FOR HIS THIS KIND OF ACT.
Ibn al-Jawzi writes, while complaining about certain Asharites indoctrinating the masses with the Asharite
dogma: A group of Persian (aajim) heretics arrived in Baghdad and mounted the pulpits to sermon the
masses. They would claim, in most of their gatherings: There is no Speech of Allah on this earth, and is the
mushaf anything but paper, galls and vitriol?

ANS:=
AL CALAM AL LAFZI IS PRESENT IN TABLET AND
ON EARTH. NO AUTHENTIC WORK OF ASHAIRAH
AND MATURIDIYAH STATES SUCH BELIEVES. NO
ONE KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE WERE AND IF
THEY CLAIMED TO BE ASHARITE OR MATURIDITE ,
WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE OF ASHARITE AND
MATURIDITES. WE THINK THEY WERE HERETIC
BECAUSE NO ASHARITE AND NO MATURIDITE CAN
SAY SUCH THINGS .
Allah is not in the Heavens, and the slave-girl to whom the Prophet said:
Where is Allah? was dumb and therefore pointed towards the sky, meaning: He is not from the idols
worshipped on this earth.

ANS:= AHLUSSUNNAH VAL JAMAA-AH BELIEVE THAT ALL-H IS BEYOND

ALL POSSIBLE CREATIONS. IF HEAVENS ARE CREATED THEN ALL-H IS
EITHER IN HIS SOME CREATIONS , OR ALL-H IS EVEN BEYOND THOSE
CREATIONS WHICH INCLUDE HEAVEN. NO ONE BELIEVE THAT ALL-H IS
IN HIS SOME CREATION. NOW EITHER HEAVENS ARE EITHER
ATTRIBUTES OF GOD AND UNCREATED OR ALL-H IS IN SOME OF HIS
CREATION. THE EXPRESSIONS LIKE ALL-H IS IN HEAVEN NEEDS TO BE
INTERPRETED SUCH THAT IT DOES NOT IMPLY ALL-H IS IN SOME OF
HIS CREATION, AND IT ALSO DOES NOT IMPLY HEAVEN ARE
UNCREATED , HENCE DIVINE ATTRIBUTE.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE SAHABIYAH [ BOUND MADE] RD DID SHEW
THAT ALL-H IS BEYOND UNIVERSES3AND OUTWORD. OUTWORD IN THE

SENSE OF TRANSCIDENCE AND BEYONDNESS. NOT IN THE SENSE THAT

ALL-H IS IN SOME OF HIS CREATIONS CALLED HEAVENS.
They then said: Where are the letterists, who claim that the Quran is composed of letters and sound?
Rather, the Quran is only an expression of Jibril! They continued in this vein, until the sacredness of the
Quran diminished from the hearts of many.

ANS: WHERE WERE THE LITERALISTS

THEN?? WHY DID THEY NOT
CHALLENGED THESE PEOPLE FOR A
DEBATE??
THE TRUE ASHAIRAH AND
MATURIDIYAH BELIEVE THAT QURAN
IN THE MEANING AL CALAM AL LAFZI
IS COMPOSED OF LETTERS WORDS,
SENTENCES, CONSTRUCTIONS ,AYAT
ETC. ONE WHO SAY QURAN AL CALAM
AL LAFZI IS AN EXPRESSION OF ANY
GHAIR ALL-H SAY JIBRIL [AS] OR
HOLY PROPHET [SAVS] IS NOT A
MUSLIM. IT IS DIRECTLY CREATED BY
ALL-H, WITH OUT ANY CREATED
SUPPOSITUM OR CREATED ESSENCE
WHETHER JIBRIL OR HOLY PROPHET
OR ELSE. THESE PEOPLE WERE
CETAINLY NEITHER ASHAIRAH NOR
MATURIDIYAH, BUT SOME HERETIC.
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ONE MUST CONSULT AUTHENTIC

WORKS OF ASHAIRAH AND
MATURIDIAYAH INSTEAD OF SUCH
HERETICS.
NOTE:QURAN IS CERTAINLY NOT AN EXPRESSION OF
JIBRIL . IT IS EITHER CALAM AN NAFSI AN ETERNAL
AND ESSENTIAL ATTRIBUTE OR AL CALAM AL LAFZI
AN ACT OR AN ACTIVE ATTRIBUTE TEMPORAL AND
CREATED DIRECTLY WITH OUT ANY CREATED
SUPPOSITUM WHAT SO EVER.
He then mentions at length, the arguments for the orthodox approach towards the Quran, and commends
Imam Ahmad b. Hanbal for his rigid stance on the issue, which united the Muslims on one belief: the Quran,
which is contained in the Mushaf, is the uncreated Speech of Allah. He then denigrates al-Ashari, saying:
Then, people did not differ in this issue, until there appeared Ali b. Ismail al-Ashari, who at first, held the
beliefs of the Mutazilites. It then occurred to him, as he claimed, that Allahs Speech subsists in the Divine
Essence (sifah qaimah bil-that). His claim, therefore, necessitated that the Quran we have is created.

ANS: IT IS INCORRECT TO ASCRIBE TO IMAM AHMAD BIN

HANBAL RD , THAT QURAN WHICH EXIST EXTERNALLY
DISTINCT FROM THE DIVINE ESSENCE IS UNCREATED. THE
DISPUTE OF MUTAZILITES AND IMAM AHMAD BIN HANBAL RH
IS MISUNDERSTOOD BY A NUMBER OF HANAB-LAH.
ANY ONE WHO CHARGE IMAM AHMAD RH IS A HERETIC. WE DO
NOT KNOW WHO WERE THESE PEOPLE AND IF THEY DID CLAIM
TO BE ASHAIRAH OR MATURIDIYAH, THEY CANNOT BE SO
SINCE NO ASHAIRHA AND NO MATURIDIYAH CAN ACCUSE
IMAM AHMAD AS SUCH. AT MOST ONE MAY OR MUST
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INTERPRET HIS DIFFICULT EXRESSIONS. EVERY THING STOPS

HERE.
Ibn Qudama says in his refutation of the Asharis on the topic of Quran:

ANS:= LET IT BE SEEN WHAT IBN

QUDAMA [RH] COMMENTS:=
* Some of our [Hanbali] companions often ask us about the debate that took place between me and some
of the heretics (i.e. Asharis)
* Asharis claim that the Speech of Allah the Quran is one whole entity which is indivisible, for anything
eternal must be indivisible, as they claim. Ibn Qudamah responds to this saying, that their belief implies,
that the Torah, the Bible and the Quran are all the same, and the one who memorises a verse has
memorised the whole Quran, and that Allahs prohibitions are the same as what he permits, etc.

ANS:= AL CALAM AN NAFISI IS

ABSOLUTE ,SIMPLE, ETERNAL,
ESSENTIAL, NOT ACTIVE. BUT AL
CALAM AL LAFZI ARE DIFFERENT .
EACH ONE OF CALAM AL LAFZI IS
CONNECTED WITH CALAM AN NAFSI
DIRECTLY. SO THESE OBJECTIONS
FAILS TO BE VALID. RELATIVE TO AL
CALAM AL LAFZI NOUNLY QURAN , AL
CALAM AN NAFSI IS QURAN,
RELATIVE TO ANY NON QURANIC
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SPEECH OF ALL-H SAY TAURAH, IT IS

TAURAH [TORAH].
*

NOTE: Does IBN QUDAMA NOT believe that the Speech of Allah the Quran is not one Attribute which is
divisible, not eternal since anything Eternal must be indivisible, as they . Ibn Qudamah IS RESPONDED , that
HIS belief implies, that QURAN IS SEPARATE FROM ALLAH,DISTINCT FROM ALL-H AND DIVINE
INCOMMUNICABLE TO ALL-H,OUT OF POWER OF ALL-H SINCE ANY THING UNCREATED IS BEYOND
OMNIPOTENCE.

* Asharis say that if Allah speaks with sound and letters, it implies that Allah has a tongue, a throat and
lungs, since this is the only way one may speak. Ibn Qudamah says, the stones and trees of Makkah would
say Salam to the Prophet SallAllahu alaihi wasallam without any of that, and likewise ones hands will bear
witness against him on the day of judgement, without the need of any tongue or throat etc. Moreover, by
the same token, they should also deny that Allah is all hearing and seeing, as one cannot hear except
through air waves hitting the air-drums, nor can one see except through lights hitting the retina.

ANS:= ALL-H CAN SPEAK WITH LETTERS

AND WORDS BUT THESE ARE CREATIONS
SINCE THEY DO NOT AND CAN NOT
SUBSIST IN DIVINE ESSENCE. THE
PROBLEMS IS NOT OF DIVINE ORGANS
SINCE ALL-H IS BEYOND ORGANS
STATED ABOVE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT
WHETHER ALL-H IS A LOCUS OF NON
ETERNAL ACTS AND EVENTS. IF ALL-H
SPEAKETH WITH TEMPORAL EVENTS AND
ACTS THEN THESE WORDS
EXPRESSIONS, LETTERS , SENTENCES
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SPEACHES ETC CANNOT BE ASSOCIATED

WITH THE DIVINE ESSENCE.
NOTE: IF ALL-H CAN SPEAK WITH OUT ORGANS OF SPEECH EVEN THEN IF
THE SPOKEN SPEECH IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH DIVINE ESSENCE THEN IT
IS NOT A DIVINE ATTRIBUTE, IF IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH DIVINE ESSENCE
THEN NON ETERNAL ASSOCIATES WITH DIVINE ESSENCE I.E ALL-H. DO WE
CHARGE IBN QUDAMA AS SUCH??
* Ibn Qudamah says that Asharis belief implies that for one to recite the Quran in his Salah, in fact renders
his Salah null and void, because the Quran is actually the speech of Jibril, as they claim.

ANS:= THIS IS JUST A FALSE ALLEGATION.

QURAN AL LAFZI IS NOT AN EXPRESSION OF
ANY CREATURE WHAT SO EVER, BUT A DIRECT
CREATION OF ALL-H CONNECTED WITH DIVINE
ESSENTIAL ATTRIBUTE OF DIVINE ESSENCE.
SO THE OBJECTIONS OF IBN QUDAMA FALLS
DOWN.
WE CHALLENGE THOSE WHO SEOND IBN AL
QUDAMA TO QUOTE WITH OUT ANY
MISINTERPRETION FROM AUTHENTIC
ASHARITE AND MATURIDITE WORKS BEFORE
REPEATING IBN QUDAMA S FALSE
ALLEGATIONS.
* He says: There is no dispute amongst all the Muslims that anyone who rejects a verse from the Quran, or
a word, which is agreed upon, or even a letter which is agreed upon, is a Kafir Whereas al-Ashari rejects
the entire Quran and says: none of that is the Quran, rather it is the speech of Jibril

ANS: MAY THE CURSE OF ALL-H BE UPON HIM WHO HAS INVENTED
THIS FALSE ALLEGATION. PLEASE CONSULT AUTHENTIC ASHARITE AND
MATURIDITE WORKS , AND DO NOT BELIEVE ON FALSE ACCUSATIONS
REPORTED BY IBN AL QUDAMAH. 8

* He says: What is amazing is that they are not bold enough to manifest their belief in public, nor do they
explicitly state it except when they are alone. Even if they were the rulers, or governors of countries, and
you were to attribute this belief to them, they would detest it and condemn it, and become obstinate. They
would only pretend to honor the Quran respect the Mushaf, and stand up upon seeing it, whereas when they
are alone they say: There is nothing in it but paper and ink, what else is there in it? And this is from the
actions of Zanadiqah

ANS:= THE ONLY PROPER ANSWER IS := ALL THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE

FALSE
* One of them said to Ibn Qudamah: I affirm that this Mushaf is actually the Quran, but it is not the eternal
Quran, to which Ibn Qudamah replied: So, do we have two Qurans?

ANS:=
THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF QURAN. 1] THAT
IS SUSTAINED IN DIVINE ESSENCE AND IS
ASSOCIATED WITH DIVINE ESSENCE.
2] ONE THAT IS NEITHER ASSOCIATED WITH
DIVINE ESSENCE NOR IS SUSTAINED IN
DIVINE ESSENCE.
DOETH IBN AL QUDAMA BELIEVE THAT THERE
IS NO QURAN ASSOCIATED WITH ALL-H AND
HIS ESSENCE?? IF SO THEN HE MUST HAVE
TO ADMIT THAT HE DOES NOT THAT QURAN
IS NOT AN ATTRIBUTE OF ALL-H SINCE IF A
THING IS NOT AN ATTRIBUTE OF ALL-H IT IS
NOT ASSOCIATED WITH DIVINE ESSENCE.
IF NO THEN THERE ARE CERTAINLY TWO
TYPES OF QURAN 1] ASSOCIATED WITH
DIVINE ESSENCE OF ALL-H . 2] NOT
ASSOCIATED WITH DIVINE ESSENCE OF ALLH. FURTHER IF A HUMAN BEING RECITETH
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HOLY QURAN, DOES IT MEAN THAT ALL-H

HIMSELF IS RECITING QURAN. IF YES THEN
IT MEANS ALL-H IS SPEAKING QURAN
THROUGH THE TONGUE OF A HUMAN
BEING ,EVEN IF THE RECITER IS A HERETIC
OR EVEN A NON MUSLIM. IS THIS NOT WHAT
IBN QUDAMA HIDING, BUT IS DIRECTLY
IMPLICATED FROM WHAT HE HAD SAID.
[FOR TECHNICAL REASONS WE HAVE USED
PRESENT TENSE FOR IBN QUDAMA, MAY ALLH FORGIVE HIM FOR HIS FALSE
ALLEGATIONS] .
NOTE : AHMAD RADA\RAZA OF BANS BARAILY[UNITED
PROVINCES ,IDIAN SUBCONTINENT] WAS INSPIRED BY THIS
ARGUMENT AND BEGAN TO BELIEVE THAT CALAM AL LAFZI AND
CALAM AN NAFIS BOTH ARE ONE AND SAME. SEE MALFUZAT
PART IV.
WE REJECT BOTH OF THEM .
Some of our [Hanbali] companions said: You (the Asharis) are the rulers and the governors over Islamic
countries, so what prevents you from making your belief manifest to the common folk?
* He said: We do not know of a sect from the heretics who hide their beliefs, and who are not bold enough
to manifest them, except the Zanadiqah and the Asharis.

ANS:= BELIEVES OF ASHARITES AND

MATURIDITES ARE OPEN SECRET AND
NO THINGN IS HIDING . ONE HAVE JUST
TO STUDY THEIR AUTHENTIC WORKS.
HOW EVER IT MAY BE THE CASE THAT
SOME HERETIC DID LIED TO IBN
QUDAMAH , AND DUE TO HIS ENIMITY
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OF ASHAIRAH AND MATURIDIAH HE DID

NOT CONSULT THEM DIRECTLY. NOT
EVERY ONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE
ASHARITE [MATURIDITE] IS ASHARITE
[MATURIDITE].
NOTE :- HOW EVER WE DISLIKE TO STATE BUT IBN
QUDAMA HAS LEFT US NO OPTION EXCEPT ALL THESE
ACCUSATIONS ARE FALSE, AND HE IS SPEAKING FALSELY.
* He said: His belief (i.e. al-Asharis) is similar to that of the Mutazilah without doubt, except that alAshari wants to deceive. So he states his belief which appears to be agreeing with the beliefs of the people
of truth. He then gives an explanation to his belief with a Mutazili twist.

ANS:- THERE ARE CERTAIN

DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MUTAZILAH
AND THEIR RIVALS LIKE ASHARITES
AND MATURIDITES.
1]MUTAZILITES DO NOT BELIEVE IN
CALAM AN NAFSI, WHILE ASHARITE
AND MATURIDTE BELIEVE IN CALAM
AN NAFSI.
2] MUTAZILITES DO NOT BELIEVE
THAT CALAM AL LAFZI INDICATES
[DAAL] CALAM AN NAFSI , WHILE
ASHARITES AND MATURIDITERS DO.
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3]MUTAZILITES BELEAVE THAT ACT

OF SPEAKING IS JUST THE ACT OF
CREATION , WHILE ACCORDING TO
ASHARITES AND MATURIDITES ACT
OF SPEAKING IS CREATION OF THE
ACT PLUS THE ACT OF INDICATION
[DALA:LAH].
4] MUTAZILAH BELIEVE THAT ACTS
OF HUMAN BEING ARE NOT CREATED
BUT TEMPORAL, WHILE ASHARITES
AND MATURIDITES BELIEVE THAT
ACTS AND DOINGS OF CREATED
SUPPOSITUMS EG HUMAN BEINGS,
JINN BEINGS, ANGEL BEINGS ,
SHAYATIN , ANIMAL BEINGS,
NATURAL ACTS ALL ARE CREATED.
WE DO NOT LIKE TO MENSION BUT
IT IS IMPERATIVE TO SAY THAT IBN
QADAMA AND MUTAZILAH AGREE
THAT QURAN IS DISTINCT AND
SEPARATE FROM DIVINE ESSENCE I.E
ALL-H. HE SHOULD HAVE SEEN HIS
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OWN RESEMBLENCE WITH

MUAZILAH.
* He says: The reality of the Ashari doctrine is that there is no God in the heavens, nor is there a Quran on
this earth, and nor is Muhammad a messenger of God. Ibn Fuwarrak was killed by the great ruler Ibn
Subuktakin for claiming that the Prophet SallAllahu alaihi wa-sallam was only a messenger when he was
alive, and he isnt a messenger anymore after his death.

ANS: ALL THE OBJECTIONS ARE ANSWERED

EXCEPT THE LAST OBJECTION. IBN FAUVARAC
WAS INCORRECT ON THIS VIEW AND NO
ASHARITE AND NPO MATURIDITE ACCEPT HIS
VIEW. SO JUST TO POINT FEW PERSONS OUT
OF A HUGE MAJIRITY IS JUST A DELIBERATE
FALLACY OF IBN QADAMA.
MAY ALL-H FORGIVE HIM.
* He says: What is amazing is that their leader (i.e. Abul-Hasan al-Ashari) who established their beliefs was
a man not known for his religion or piety, nor was he known for any of the Sacred sciences. In fact, he
belongs to no science except the science of blameworthy Kalam. All the while they acknowledge that he
spent 40 years adhering to Mutazili doctrine, and then pretended to have retracted from it, however,
nothing could be seen from him after his repentance except this Bidah.

ANS:= THESE ARE THE WORST

ALLEGAQTIONS OF THE WORLD ,OF ALL
TIMES. KNOWLEDGE OF IMAM ASHARI WAS
GREAT, AND HE WAS A IMAM OF
THEOLOGIANS, A GREAT PHILOSOPHER AND A
DEFENDER OF SUUNISM. HE HAS WRITTEN A
NUMBER OF BOOKS AND SOME OF THEM
STILL EXIST. A DETAIL REFUTATION OF THIS
ALLEGATION SHALL SOON BE PRESENTED
INSHA ALL-H. BUT THIS13WAS A COMMON

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BELIEF OF MAJORITY OF SUNNIS. CALAM AN

NAFSI IS NOT IONVENTED BY IMAM ASHARI.
IMAM MATURIDI WHO WAS HIS COMTEMPORY ,
AND NEVER KNEW HIM ALSO HELD THIS VIEW,
A PROOF THAT IMAM ASHARI DID NOT INVENT
THIS BELIEF.
al-Saffarini al-Hanbali says in his Sharh of his own Athari creed:
In conclusion, the Mutazilites are in agreement with the Asharites, while the Asharites are in agreement
with the Mutazilites, that this Quran contained within the two covers of the Mushaf is created and anew. The
only difference between the two factions is that the Mutazila did not affirm any other Speech for Allah
except this (the Quran, which they thought was created), whereas the Asharites affirmed al-Kalam al-Nafsi
(self-speech/talking to oneself/inner-speech) subsisting in Allahs essence. Whereas the Mutazilites say, the
Speech of Allah is created (and not subsisting in Allah). The Asharis do not consider it (the Quran) the
Speech of Allah. Yes, they call it the Speech of Allah, but only metaphorically, and that is the belief of the
majority of their predecessors.

ANS: IBN QUDAMA BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO QURAN

THAT SUBSISTS AND SUSTAINS IN DIVINE ESSENCE .
IN THIS REGARD HE AGREES WITH MUTAZILAH.
HE BELIEVES THAT SME THING SEPARATE OR DISTINCT
FROM ALL-H IS UNCREATED. IN THIS REGARD HE
DOES AGREE WITH PHILOSOPHERS.
CALAM AL LAFZI IS IS A REAL QURAN RATHER A AL LAFZ
AL MUSHRAR-C. THIS DISCUSSION MAY BE SEEN IN
AUTHENTIC WORKS OF ASHAIRAH AND MATURIDIYAH.
NOTE:= THE WORD MATAPHOR IS USED IN THE SECONDARY SENSE NOT IN ITS
PRIMERY SENSE. A DETAIL DISCUSSION MAY BE SEEN IN SHAR-H AL AQAID
TAFTAZANI [RH].
Conclusion:
1)

the Asharis believe that the Quran that we have which is contained in the Mushaf is in fact created,
because Allah Speaks without sound or letters.

ANS: THIS IS CORRECT AND MUS-HAF [COPIES] ARE

DISTINCT FROM QURAN WHICH IS SUSTAINED AND
SUBSISTED IN DIVINE ESSENCE.
2)

This is how the Hanbalis have viewed the Asharis for centuries.
Ibn al-Jawzis quotes can be found in his al-Muntadham, in his notice on Abul-Hasan al-Ashari; as
well as his Sayd al-Khatir
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ANS:= WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE WORKS OF IBN AL JAUZI IN THIS REGARD. IT MEANS ALLEGED
HANBALIS HAS NOT UNDERSTOOD MAJORITY OF AHLUSSUNNAH SINCE AGES. NB. MAY ALL-H SAVE
US FROM SAYING ANY THING AGAINST IMAM AHMAD BIN HANBAL. THESE ALLEGED FOLLOWERS
HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD HIM PROPERLY.
Ibn Qudama is being quoted from his Munadhara maa Ahl al-Bida (debate with heretics), which is his
discourse with his contemporary Ashrites.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE IBN QUDAMAH ON

THESE ISSUES. HE ACTUALLY TRY TO IMPLY CERTAIN
BELIEVES FROM THE BELIEVES AND THEN ASCRIBES
THEM TO ASARITES AND MATURIDITES. MAY ALL-H
FORGIVE THIS SIN OF HIS.
al-Saffarini is being quoted from his own Sharh to his own Athari creed called Lawami.
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