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The Aging Brain: Keeping Your Brain Healthy Through All Stages of Life
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The Aging Brain: Keeping Your Brain Healthy Through All Stages of Life
The Aging Brain: Keeping Your Brain Healthy Through All Stages of
Life
with John Arden, PhD
and Ruth Buczynski, PhD
Dr. Buczynski: Hello everyone and welcome back.
First of all, thanks for being a Gold subscriber. I just want you to know how much I appreciate that.
Secondly, I think you are going to be very excited about what we are going to talk about today.
But just in case I need to say it, I am Dr. Ruth Buczynski, a licensed psychologist in the State of Connecticut
and the President of the National Institute for the Clinical Application of Behavioral Medicine.
Today we are going to talk with John Arden. He is the Director of Training for Mental Health for the
Northern California region of Kaiser Permanente.
He is the author of thirteen books, including most recently The Brain Bible: A Plan to Stay Vital, Productive,
and Happy for a Lifetime.
Were going to talk about how your brain is different now than it was twenty years ago.
So, John, welcome back. We have included you in a series before, and it is great to see you again.
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As you know, and probably many of the listeners know, the right hemisphere has a tendency to be more
the global thinker the general gist of things and the novelty accumulator and all of that.
The left hemisphere happens to be very involved in
routinization. That is why language is lateralized to the left
side routine details and those sorts of things lateralize to
the left side.
Now, what happens in the brains of people moving into
their fifties and sixties and thereafter is that there is a little
bit more of a balance between the activation of the two
hemispheres.
I might also add one thing: your brain, as a woman, versus my brain as a man, works better together even
before this bilateralization.
There is also this phenomenon called the Yakovlevian torque: my right prefrontal cortex is a little larger
than my left prefrontal cortex and vice versa, in the posterior area.
Now, your two hemispheres look more alike than mine do.
Dr. Buczynski: We should be careful to point out that we are making generalizations about men versus
women.
Dr. Arden: Absolutely.
Dr. Buczynski: Not all womens brains are alike; not all mens brains are alike. But in general this is
howit shakes out.
So you mentioned that neurochemistry changes and neurotransmitters work differently. I would like to
talk about a study that Dilip Jeste did. Lets get into that whole idea. Can you get into this for us?
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It seems that these slow down it is not only the dopamine circuits that seem to slow down the whole
cornucopia of various neurotransmitters seem to slow down.
In fact, our synapses dont seem to work as well as we age.
But it is a use it or lose it phenomenon, which I think is so exciting, and that is the area you have been
focusing on for quite some time youve been interviewing all these people and talking about all these
wonderful new discoveries around neuroplasticity and neurogenesis.
It is not like Oh
my god, we are just
doomed to fail but
rather, Boy, theres a
lot of cool things we
can do now to keep
our brains alive.
But, in any case, I have a tendency to react much more slowly than I used to
Dr. Buczynski: What exactly did he study how many people and what did he do with them?
Dr. Arden: He looked at three thousand people, older adults;
he was looking at the dopaminergic circuits and using the
functional MRI. He was trying to take a look at how quickly
these older adults reacted using these dopaminergic circuits
to activate their attention I know you want to talk about
attentional capacities.
The most
evolutionarily
advanced part of
the brain seems to
atrophy, in time, unless
we exercise it a lot.
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On the other hand, heres the positive: we are less impulsive than we were at younger ages. We are a little
slower but perhaps less impulsive.
The axons that are the part of the neuron send out information so the
coating of the axons is very much like the coating of wires to help with
conductivity.
You dont want demyelization occurring. In its severe form, as with MS,
for example, there is a shorting out of the motor neurons. Demyelization
is bad news.
The health of our myelin sheaths is very important for conductivity
how quickly our neurons can fire.
There are all sorts of things that we can do that might impair our myelin, such as bad diets and not using
our brain as we will soon talk about.
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It turns out that if that ratio of activity is skewed to the right versus the left, the person has the tendency
to be a little bit more negativistic, a little bit more anxious, and a
little bit more depressed.
If they are skewed a little bit to the left, meaning more activity in
the left prefrontal cortex, a person has a tendency to be a little bit
more optimistic.
Davidson has found that the right prefrontal cortex the front side
of the right side of the brain seems to process negative emotion,
while the left front side processes positive emotion.
One way to get these two sides going is when you withdraw and you avoid, then you get even more active
on the right prefrontal side.
On the other hand, when you do things and thats called approach behaviors in technical language you
say, Okay, I dont care Im just going to go ahead and do it, and that activates the left prefrontal side.
Those of us that are therapists know that people who are anxious and depressed have a tendency to avoid
things that make them anxious and they withdraw when they dont feel so good.
Now, what happens? They get more depressed and they get more
anxious.
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So, back to your question about the set point: the set point
is the ratio of activity between the operations of your left
prefrontal cortex your left frontal side, and your right
prefrontal cortex right frontal side.
If they are more balanced, you have a tendency to use your
brain much more effectively.
But if you are skewed too far to the right, its not so good
because you tend to avoid things that make you anxious or you withdraw, and you are plagued by anxiety
and depression.
Dr. Buczynski: That was one of the best explanations I have heard. Thank you.
Can you explain, first of all, what you mean by cognitive longevity, and then we will take a look at it from
there?
Dr. Arden: Sure. There are a number of terms bantered about among neuroscientists and what I am
compelled to do is pretty much what you are always trying to do: translate this out to the regular consumer.
We want a bright, engaged, thinking nimble brain later in life and that is essentially the whole concept
of cognitive longevity cognitive meaning thinking clearly later in life.
Now, there is another whole factor bantered about and is
referred to as cognitive reserve.
Cognitive reserve
means how much
capacity or software you
have to help withstand
any neurological insults
that you might have
later on.
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We know that people that are more highly educated getting back to your question seem to have a better
buffer for these neurological insults, including dementia processes that can happen later.
So, heres the bottom line its about having more that you can lose without looking like you have lost
much.
In other words, if you have more adaptive
patterns built up in your brain cognitive reserve
then you can withstand any insults and still
navigate through the world fairly well, despite
the fact that you might already have some of
the dementia processes going on such as the
plaques and tangles with Alzheimers.
Dr. Buczynski: There was a study in London that looked at this whole idea of cognitive longevity. Can
we talk about that?
Certainly, a lot of us are concerned about socioeconomic status and poverty, but where you are on that
socioeconomic ladder might have something to do with
your overall health. Socioeconomic factors can affect your
Where you are on that
access to health services etc. and they wanted to measure
that against how much education a person has.
socioeconomic ladder
Now, of course, if you are way down there in a terribly impoverished level and you are barely scraping out
an existence, that is a different thing but remember, these are civil service workers who have pensions
after they retire, so they are not impoverished people, but they may not be real rich.
They found that your income level, once you get up to at least
middle class, has less to do with your cognitive longevity than your
education does.
In other words, you can be a relatively modest-income retired
professor and have better cognitive longevity than the CEO of
Apple or Google meaning you have a lot of money.
Education seemed
to be a more
powerful factor than
socioeconomic
status.
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Shorter
telomeres
means advanced
aging.
Education seemed
to help protect the
telomeres much
better than wealth.
What they found in this study was that education seemed to help
protect the telomeres much better than wealth
In other words, the health of these peoples brains seemed to be
measured very clearly in terms of longevity by taking a look at the
size of the telomeres.
By the way, there are other things that you can do to help slow down
the shrinking of your telomeres and I talk about each one of those five factors in the Brain Bible. I use the
mnemonic SEEDS to name the factors that help protect your telomeres from shrinking.
Education seems to be
one of those protective
factors for the longevity
of your brains capacity to
think nimbly as you age.
Education seems to be one of those protective factors for the longevity of your brains capacity to think
nimbly as you age.
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You probably have talked to other people about the so-called nun study
Dr. Buczynski: Go ahead and talk about that.
Dr. Arden: Okay. I think it is really fascinating and I am just going to quickly summarize it.
But in Minnesota there was a group of nuns, and they were really fascinating people because they werent
just cloistered off and sitting and praying and all that, but rather they were really involved in the community.
They had very engaging political discussions at night; many of them had high-level graduate degrees and
were involved in teaching out in the community.
There was this one nun that seemed to be the star of the bunch.
Sister Mary, I believe her name was, seemed to be really engaged.
She was involved in so many different things and was always
having these robust political discussions with people. She lived
to a ripe old age into her late nineties or maybe a hundred and
one Ive forgotten the age when she died.
Sister Mary, for example and this is the really striking part actually had an advanced dementia process
going on in her brain, meaning plaques and tangles, which are the symptoms of Alzheimers but she
didnt look like it from a behavioral point of view.
In other words, when people looked at her, people didnt
think, God, do you have dementia going on, Mary? Whats
going on? You seem to forget things. She didnt look like
that at all. She was really bright and intact.
So, as I was saying earlier, the more you can lose without
looking like you lost much really has a pretty graphic
illustration in Sister Marys life.
She didnt look like she had lost much, but she did in fact.
But she had so many more connections because of her robust intellectual life.
You said that didnt seem true for you you had some ideas about what we needed to be thinking about in
order to keep the brain growing and learning.
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Dr. Arden: The answer to almost everything I am saying refers to other peoples studies I read a lot,
too, like you.
I see a lot of
people doing
crossword
puzzles and they
are a good thing.
However, what you are doing is you are exercising one area:
word-finding skills. Good thing!
You are exercising that particular area. It is as if you are only
concerned with your biceps and you are saying, Im going to
exercise and the only thing Im going to exercise are my biceps.
Dont bother me about all this other cardiovascular stuff and/or
running Im just going to exercise my biceps.
Now, what other researchers are suggesting is that when you are using more of your brain, as is the case
when you are playing chess, you are looking for other details not only the detail of, My god, if I move
this pawn here, its going to change what is going on between these two pawns, but rather it changes the
whole configuration of the board.
Chess seems to
exercise more
of your brain.
It turns out that in terms of games, chess seems to have a more robust,
positive effect.
We are really not talking about what is good and what is bad crossword
puzzles are good!
But chess seems to exercise more of your brain. Now you are looking at the entirety of the board, and then
you are making detailed moves that change the entirety of the board, the configuration.
Dr. Buczynski: Thanks. So we need to stay with something difficult that exercises a wide range of our
brain.
Dr. Arden: Exactly. In fact, if I can, let me tell you another story that relates to exercising the brain.
Before my father died, he loved Impressionist painting, and he would go to Paris every year for a month
and he could do that because he was a retired judge.
He would spend a week in Le Louvre, and of course he would go to the Orsay (Museum) because he loved
Impressionist painting. This is where all the Impressionist paintings are shown.
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But for the last eight years of his life, he would go to the Picasso Museum every time he went to Paris.
I went there with him a couple of times and I asked, Dad, I dont understand; you keep going to the
Picasso Museum. Here we are at the Picasso Museum and I thought you didnt like Picasso. And he
said, I dont. And I said, I dont understand. Why do you go? He said, Because its interesting.
Now, let me tell you about what happens when he would go to the Picasso Museum.
The Picasso Museum is laid out, like many museums, around an
artist in a chronological way. You start out with his Blue Period.
Now, Picasso looked like an Impressionist painter in his Blue Period
you can see what he is painting its a nice sort of pastel.
Then he starts hanging around with this artist,, Braque, and they
start breaking everything up.
You need to be a
little anxious and a
little uncomfortable
to create
neuroplasticity.
My Dad is standing in front of these paintings and he is saying, What the heck happened to this guy?
But he kept standing there, trying to figure it out.
That is what stimulates cognitive reserve when you stand in front of something that partly disturbs you
but you are still trying to figure it out.
You need to be a little anxious and a little uncomfortable to create neuroplasticity. It is not like, Oh, I
think Im going to meditate and everythings going to be all fine in my life
Traveling is a great
way to boost cognitive
reserve because you
have to adapt and
figure out what is new.
Dr. Buczynski: There was something else you said in your book that I wanted to ask you about. You
talked about pattern recognition as being more important than problem-solving.
Dr. Arden: I hope I didnt say more important than problem-solving but it seems that pattern recognition
tends to be something that we retain a little bit better as we age. So, what is pattern recognition?
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Pattern recognition is more like, Ive seen this before. Oh, yes this is what happens when that happens.
Pattern recognition is
more like, Ive seen
this before. Oh yes
this is what happens
when that happens.
By the way, the left side of the brain is a little more adept at seeing patterns because of the details and
configurations. By about ten years old, we start losing more cells
in the right side of the brain than in the left side of the brain.
In the fifties, we are starting to lose a little bit in the right and then
by the sixties it is a bell curve of course we are going to be
losing a little bit more in the left.
We are retaining more details, we a little bit more set in our ways,
and we are a little bit less interested in novelty.
It doesnt mean you are going to have to go that way you can push the novelty by getting out of your
comfort zone and exploring novel experiences.
The dorsolateral
prefrontal cortex
is the most
evolutionarily evolved
part of the brain.
Working memory is holding things in your mind while you are navigating through and remembering, for
example, I walked into this room was it my keys I was looking for?
And that has to do with staying in the present.
There was a wonderful title of a book that I love to recall with people by Richard Alpert who later became
Ram Dass, and it was called Be Here Now. What a wonderful title.
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He is always talking
about mindfulness and
being here for now
for good reason.
Attention is the
gateway to memory.
They measured these people into their late seventies, in terms of their description of whether or not they
had cognitive activities going on in other words, were they doing things like going to a bridge club, or
were they going to a book club and discussing the book afterwards. These are cognitive activities.
In other words, they were exercising their brain they werent just sitting home and watching TV.
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Up until about
eleven thousand
years ago, we were
all hunter-gatherers
and we moved about
ten miles a day.
We didnt even have a word called exercise until relatively recently because we moved a whole lot, even
after the advent of agriculture.
We have the same bodies, the same brains that we used to have. It is
not like evolution happens that quickly.
So exercise, as we are now describing vigorous aerobic movement
meaning does your heart pump and do you sweat is absolutely
critical for the health of your brain.
Exercise is
absolutely critical
for the health of
your brain.
Exercise is more powerful probably than any one of the other five factors.
An example of a really
faulty hippocampus
is what happens in
Alzheimers disease.
And what is so amazing about it is that it not only helps protect the
brain, but it is probably the only thing that can create neurogenesis
and neurogenesis means the birth of new neurons.
And the birth of new neurons where?
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Neurogenesis is the
birth of new cells in
the hippocampus.
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If you engage in
aerobic exercise
then you can
release this miraclegro that can result
in neurogenesis.
Dr. Arden: To begin with, Fred Gage did some studies with rats
he is still doing a lot of research with rats. He found that volitional exercise, meaning you decide that you
are going to do it, and with rats you give them something stimulating to do, and they will do it because it
is stimulating to do.
Exercise throughout
your life is a good
protective thing to
do for your capacity
to remember.
Its not just rats with new cells in the hippocampus, but also humans and we see this by taking a look at
the size of the hippocampus after periods of aerobic exercise through an fMRI
It turns out that exercise throughout your life and certainly later in life is a good protective thing to do
for your capacity to remember.
Now, remember we were talking about the hippocampus as the place you lose a lot of cells if you have
got Alzheimers that is the last place you want to be losing a whole lot because you are not going to
remember much.
So van Praag and a whole bunch of other people have done a
lot of research on what older adults do, checking out the size of
the hippocampus and it turns out: a larger hippocampus with
aerobic exercise.
You could say, Why arent jocks smart, then? They exercise. Im not saying jocks arent smart but
some are, some arent.
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But those that follow up their aerobic exercise by cognitive exercise meaning they go exercise are.
For example, after this interview I am going to go hiking at the ocean with my brother and my very close
friend these are guys, by the way, that bicycle literally across the country, and we are going to be going
up and down these cliffs on the Sonoma Coast. Well get some aerobic exercise.
Afterwards, I am hoping to do some cognitive exercise, meaning I will come home and read I will get
the aerobic exercise followed up by the cognitive exercise.
In other words, we all have fat cells, and the way our fat cells operate
is a pretty big factor in terms of who later gets metabolic syndrome
and diabetes.
It turns out that exercise turns off those processes that would lead us
towards developing better metabolic syndrome, which is the gateway
to diabetes 2.
So here you have an effect on the genes that make you more inclined
to develop this process leading to diabetes.
By the way, diabetes 2 is a major danger zone. We dont want to be getting into diabetes 2 because if you
want dementia, you will get it much quicker if you have diabetes 2. Many neurologists are now calling
Alzheimers diabetes 3.
So in my system, the Kaiser Permanente, which is all about integrative
health, we are really concerned about this major time bomb that is
going to explode with all these baby boomers.
Many neurologists
are now calling
Alzheimers
diabetes 3.
They are getting up into their later years, they havent been moving
much, their diets are really bad, and now they have diabetes and they
are going to get dementia so much sooner than other people.
I mean, it is not like you have your genes and that is all there is to it; you
can turn genes on and off by what you do.
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Eating breakfast is
absolutely fundamental
for the development
of the cornucopia of
neurochemistry in our
brain.
create inflammation,
and inflammation is
our enemy.
So simple carbohydrates, especially sugars, create more inflammation and also what many people are
calling advanced glycation end products or AGEs.
You dont have to remember that, but basically it is the development of this process whereby the cells get
stiff and rigid and now cant make adaptive changes.
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Now, that is not so good for the brain because the neurons need to be
soft and pliable, able to make new connections for neuroplasticity.
If you eat too many simple carbohydrates, cells cant make all those
adaptive changes. Thats the same as bad fat consumption if you eat
transfatty acids.
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Neurons need to
be soft and pliable,
able to make new
connections for
neuroplasticity.
Loneliness late in
life seems to shrink
the telomeres.
We stayed alive as
a species because
we are able to
work together.
Now, we were talking earlier about telomeres these caps on the ends of the chromosomes and it turns
out that loneliness late in life seems to shrink the telomeres.
You might think thats bizarre! How does loneliness result in
these shrunken telomeres?
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So there is a whole spectrum of different types of immune functions measured in a whole area called
psychoneuroimmunology that are pretty distinct.
You get colds less, you are less susceptible to whatever opportunistic
virus might come around; we know that people that are lonely are
more depressed and more anxious.
So these social brain networks help us thrive in the world.
Dr. Buczynski: Thats fascinating. Thats really important for people to know and I think it is one of the
areas people dont know so much because we focus a lot on staying cognitively and physically active and
eating right, but we dont focus as much on avoiding loneliness.
Dr. Buczynski: Yes. I agree. John, thank you so much.
I appreciate your time; you do a great job of explaining
things, of breaking it down and making it accessible
and easy for anyone to understand, and I think that is an
important gift. So thanks very much.
Dr. Arden: Thank you. It is a very big honor for me to talk
to you.
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