[#99115] [Ruby master Bug#17023] How to prevent String memory to be relocated in ruby-ffi — larskanis@...
Issue #17023 has been reported by larskanis (Lars Kanis).
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2020/07/10
[#99375] [Ruby master Feature#17055] Allow suppressing uninitialized instance variable and method redefined verbose mode warnings — merch-redmine@...
Issue #17055 has been reported by jeremyevans0 (Jeremy Evans).
29 messages
2020/07/28
[#101207] [Ruby master Feature#17055] Allow suppressing uninitialized instance variable and method redefined verbose mode warnings
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2020/12/02
Issue #17055 has been updated by jeremyevans0 (Jeremy Evans).
[#101231] Re: [Ruby master Feature#17055] Allow suppressing uninitialized instance variable and method redefined verbose mode warnings
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2020/12/03
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[ruby-core:99013] [Ruby master Feature#17004] Provide a way for methods to omit their return value
From:
headius@...
Date:
2020-07-01 17:02:26 UTC
List:
ruby-core #99013
Issue #17004 has been updated by headius (Charles Nutter).
> I'd see an explicit caution such as "DO NOT ABUSE THIS!" in its document.
It will definitely be abused.
I do not think this should be exposed to user code in any way. If you want a method to either return a result or not depending on how it is called, you should define a different method.
We have been discussing this on the JRuby Matrix chat and there are many concerns:
* Users of this API will have to ensure there are no side effects of **any kind** that would be omitted.
That includes exceptions that might be raised, in-memory state changes elsewhere in the system, database changes, IO state changes, potentially even native memory changes if there are C API calls involved. I would argue that the **only** safe places this can be used are to wrap a simple allocation, and even that has side effects (memory effects, out of memory errors, unexpected downstream or C API calls).
* If this is exposed as a user-accessible feature, then every place a call is made at the end of a method will want to use the feature to optionally return nil, as below:
```ruby
def foo
do_some_work()
if RubyVM.return_value_used?
expensive_call_that_can_eliminate_return()
else
expensive_call_that_can_eliminate_return()
nil
end
end
```
This will lead to a cascading effect as other methods also try to special-case how they make calls in the context of assignment or returns, forcing other methods to also make changes to how they do calls, ad infinatum.
* It will be abused, and used in error, probably more often than it is used correctly. And everyone will try to use it thinking they will use it safely, and they'll probably get it wrong.
One example case was to eliminate some `calculate_expensive_report` when the report won't be needed. But the report generation itself will have side effects, like caching data in memory, altering some in-memory data model, advancing an IO position or database cursor.
* It is not Ruby.
Ruby is an expression language. This makes it possible for people to opt out of being an expression, changing visible behavior in the process.
...
I would also point out that an inlining JIT that can see through the methods you might call would already be able to do this. Adding this method essentially short-circuits the "safe" way of doing the optimization and hopes that the user will not make a mistake and eliminate some side effect that was intended.
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Feature #17004: Provide a way for methods to omit their return value
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/17004#change-86388
* Author: shyouhei (Shyouhei Urabe)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
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In ruby, it often is the case for a method's return value to not be used by its caller. Even when a method returns something meaningful, its caller is free to ignore it.
Why not provide a way for a method to know if its return value is needed or not? That adds a room for methods to be optimized, by for instance skipping creation of complex return values.
The following pull request implements `RubyVM.return_value_is_used?` method, which does that: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/pull/3271
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