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[ruby-core:99594] [Ruby master Feature#15752] A dedicated module for experimental features

From: eregontp@...
Date: 2020-08-15 10:20:02 UTC
List: ruby-core #99594
Issue #15752 has been updated by Eregon (Benoit Daloze).


mame (Yusuke Endoh) wrote in #note-21:
> FYI: [Type-profiler](https://github.com/mame/ruby-type-profiler), which I'm developing for an experimental type inference tool for Ruby 3 types,  heavily depends upon `RubyVM::InstructionSequence` because it performs static analysis on MRI byte code.

Is there a reason to use bytecode instead of the AST (e.g., from `parser` or `RubyVM::AbstractSyntaxTree` which can be portable), which has more information?
It seems suboptimal to me to have any "Ruby 3 types project" depend on something like `RubyVM::InstructionSequence`, that will make it practically impossible to work on alternative Ruby implementations.
Also the bytecodes change regularly, so this will probably regularly break any project depending on it.

Note that it is orthogonal to this issue, any library using RubyVM could switch to ExperimentalFeatures easily (by `ExperimentalFeatures = RubyVM unless defined?(ExperimentalFeatures)`).

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Feature #15752: A dedicated module for experimental features
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15752#change-87071

* Author: Eregon (Benoit Daloze)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
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I believe we should introduce a module for experimental features portable across Ruby implementations.

An example of such a portable experimental feature is `RubyVM.resolve_feature_path`.
This feature has nothing MRI specific in it, it is a part of basic `require` functionality.
In the future, I would think more experimental features will be introduced, and I think `RubyVM` is not a good place for it.

Currently, `RubyVM` is sometimes used for experimental features, but I believe `RubyVM` should be defined only on MRI and contain only MRI-specific features.
This means it is *impossible* for other implementations such as JRuby and TruffleRuby to define `resolve_feature_path` (even though it's trivial and might be useful for some users),
and keeping `RubyVM` not defined for clearly marking MRI specific features are not available.

This is a problem that will only gets worse as portable experimental features are added to `RubyVM`.
Here is one example of adding an experimental feature but unfortunately there is no common place between Ruby implementations to add it:
https://github.com/jruby/jruby/issues/5206

If other implementations defined `RubyVM`, then only parts of it would be portable and other parts would be MRI specific,
which would be very confusing to both users and Ruby implementers.

Also, `RubyVM` doesn't really indicate by its name that it contains experimental features.

So I propose the obvious name `ExperimentalFeatures`.

I think such a long name is unlikely to clash with existing Object constants, is very clear,
and marks that any usage of it is by definition using not stable APIs that might be removed or changed.

In combination with #15743, this would mean we can very clearly see what kind of feature it is due to explicit naming:

* `ExperimentalFeatures.resolve_feature_path` is a portable experimental feature, which can be supported on other Ruby implementations too.
* `CRuby::InstructionSequence` is a CRuby/MRI-specific feature, which will only be supported on MRI.

OTOH, the `RubyVM` name doesn't indicate this important difference, and doesn't even indicate the features under it might experimental or not portable.

My main motivation here, is allowing other Ruby implementations to support some of these portable experimental features.
There is no reason for only MRI to be able to support code using portable experimental features.

cc @mame @headius



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